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WTF?

So, they can do that? The police can just order everyone in a major city to close their businesses and stay home? For how long? What happens if you disobey?

Who are those guys in camo? Do the police have alternate military style uniforms or have the National Guard been brought in? That spooky black humvee has Boston Police stenciled on the front. When did they buy that, and what did they expect to use it for?

Since when did Watertown, MA have a large Russian-speaking community? Why aren’t any journalists asking for details of this unheard of lockdown procedure?

I understand this is a shit-hot manhunt and, when we last saw them, these guys were firing in all directions and throwing grenades around. But the sight of what looks for all the world like troops shaking down house after house in the suburbs of Boston is making me a little queasy.

Have a good weekend. Remember, every twenty minutes or so, get up from the monitor, do a little stretch and look at something in the distance for a minute.

Comments


Comment from Oceania
Time: April 19, 2013, 9:56 pm

But do you believe the ‘official’ story?
I certainly don’t.


Comment from S. Weasel
Time: April 19, 2013, 10:08 pm

I’m sure you don’t.


Comment from Uncle Al
Time: April 19, 2013, 10:29 pm

In every case where I have had direct personal knowledge of a matter also reported on by govt officials the govt officials to some substantial degree got it wrong. In some of those cases it wasn’t just wrong but deliberately misleading. It would be fair to call that “lying.”

So, do I believe the “official” story? No, I don’t. Does that mean they’re lying in this case? Insufficient knowledge. Reserving judgment for now.

Oh, and this sort of militarized police state activity has been going on a very long time. It began with the War on Some Drugs and started accelerating in the early 1980s.


Comment from tomfrompv
Time: April 19, 2013, 10:32 pm

The Canadian aunt is certainly a loon. And the father back in Chechnya follows the Oceania school of “thought”. But then the uncle seems to be 100% rational.

Its hard to believe these acted on their own too. But thats the govt view.


Comment from Redd
Time: April 19, 2013, 10:40 pm

I’ve had so many curfews imposed on me I lost count. Violation meant you could be cited or arrested. They closed down LA during the riots.

I think they just requested cooperation and people were smart enough to comply. It’s to make the job searching for the little asshole easier.


Comment from J.S.Bridges
Time: April 20, 2013, 12:15 am

“So, they can do that?…”

Oh, ho, ho, hooo-o-o…that is sooo kyoot!!

But seriously, though – Stoaty, m’dear, that is Bahstun – as in: Massatwosetts – as in: chock fulla Massholes – some of the most Progressive-compliant folksies in all these NewNited States of ‘Murrica.

Besides – those cammie-clad folks you see there are the present-day city-type-Gubmint answer to the question: What, in general, do you get when you combine (Allegedly) Upholding The Law with bunches of neatsy-keeno military-type goodies handed out by Central Gubmint to Local Gubmint with a lavish, king-sized hand, with major encouragement to use same on the local level to SWAT Without Forethought.

Answer: You get low-skill-but-hot-to-trot quasi-military cop-shops – stormtroopers, just barely under some semblance of control – who leap into (over-re)action to a “fire-fight” that followed the bursting of bombs and injuries/deaths.

Yes, they need to search – and yes, they need to be almighty careful, and stay safe during the search.

No, they do NOT need to a) shut everything down that moves and b) push everyone out of the neighborhood to search properly.

But – they’re gonna do it as disruptively and totally as possible. Because: We Has Da ‘Quipment. And, Gubmint. And YOU WILL OBEY!! OR ELSE!!!

Fun, hey?…


Comment from J.S.Bridges
Time: April 20, 2013, 12:27 am

BTW – I sure hope that bunch of Jack-Boot-Wannabes gets a chance to try out that house-to-house, shut-it-down-and-move-yer-asses-out in the part of Dear Ol’ Boston referred to as “Southie” – that should be lotsa laughs to see.

In earlier days, I hung with a couple of Southie guys who’d emigrated to the Detroit area – you could’ve skated on those guys, they were that hard. Southie gents have a tendency to have guys like those cammie-clad cops for lunch – they’d be likely to take those helmets and cammies away, and feed ’em to ’em, just for funsies.


Comment from Steve Skubinna
Time: April 20, 2013, 12:48 am

The last time troops acted like that in Boston we ended starting a new country.


Comment from .
Time: April 20, 2013, 1:12 am

Rumsfeld predicted that troops will be greeted as liberators, and you ingrates are not bowing before those who bring you protection.


Comment from dissent555
Time: April 20, 2013, 1:24 am

Suspect No. 2 is “now in custody”. Good. I suggest that to soften him up for the initial interrogation that they play back tape of the news coverage of this last stand off, with the high priced news anchors going over and over and over and over the same damn material. I think he’ll confess immediately; hell, I’m ready to confess and I’ve never even been to Massachusetts.

To celebrate I’m going to have a nice cup of tea in one of my awesome Stoaty Maggie Thatcher “Iron Lady” mugs. Cheers.


Comment from tomfrompv
Time: April 20, 2013, 2:12 am

Once the curfew was lifted, the homeowner went outside, saw something amiss on his backyard boat, lifted the tarp, and THERE HE WAS! So, the curfew was not only worthless, but retarded the capture.

The other tidbit is that the Police had searched the area before and found nothing. Hmmm. Was he hiding there all along and the cops missed him?

I researched the house and its occupied by 4 old people, 65+. The geezer with the boat deserves the reward.


Comment from Stephen Falken
Time: April 20, 2013, 2:33 am

It’s time we had a serious discussion about immigration and how letting people into this country who spent their childhood being raised as a muslim in a hellhole backwater might not make the best US citizens. At the very least, we shouldn’t elect that person for two terms as President.


Comment from AliceH
Time: April 20, 2013, 3:26 am

To celebrate I’m going to have a nice cup of tea in one of my awesome Stoaty Maggie Thatcher “Iron Lady” mugs.

Oooh! Want.


Comment from Ghost
Time: April 20, 2013, 3:29 am

All they need is a reason. “Never let a crisis go to waste.”


Comment from pandelume
Time: April 20, 2013, 3:38 am

Ya know, I just accepted that diktat like it was perfectly acceptable, this morning. Who could object?

Thank you for reminding me that it’s totally nuts. What’s happening to us? (If I’m allowed to extrapolate from my own personal mishegass – to “Us”, I guess.)

Is there a US lawyer out there who could tell us more about what we can reasonably expect here on out from FBI, DHS or the local gendarmerie?

Oh, and spot on, @tomfrompv…


Comment from Christopher Taylor
Time: April 20, 2013, 4:02 am

Maybe this isn’t the best week to push gun control and relaxing immigration rules…


Comment from ScotttheBadger
Time: April 20, 2013, 4:40 am

I suspect most eagerly complied, as it was a Free Day Off, to stay home and slack off. A de facto declaration of Martial Law is quite troubling, though.


Comment from JuliaM
Time: April 20, 2013, 5:53 am

Watched in on Fox here yesterday evening – astonishing scenes, and it really brought home the uselessness of the media in a 24-hour newscycle, babbling inanities (Fox studio man to on-street reporter: “Is that a police helicopter circling there?” It was a Blackhawk!) and repeating themselves.

So…he was discoved in the back yard almost immediately? But that lockdown seemed to be on for hours!


Comment from Mike C.
Time: April 20, 2013, 9:02 am

In answer to your question, Stoatie, yes, those are “civilian” police wearing all the Tacti-Cool gear. Any urban police force in the country, and even many county sherrif’s departments could put on a similar show, right down to the night vision gear and armored vehicles. Many also have automatic weapons – real ones, not what liberals refer to as “automatic weapons.” This militarization of civilian police units has been ongoing for a long time now, and is heavily subsidized by the feds. DHS recently acquired over 2000 MRAPS and ordered 3000 actual M4s, as a federal example.


Comment from Argentium G. Tiger
Time: April 20, 2013, 12:34 pm

Police: “One bad apple spoils the barrel”.

Time has gone by; a lot of time. The barrel’s spoiled.


Comment from Some Vegetable
Time: April 20, 2013, 12:49 pm

My favorite little shocker is that the suspect doesn’t get Miranda Rights because of “The Public Safety Exception”.

Did you know there are exceptions to your rights? Say, I bet there’s even an exception or two to your 2nd Amendment Rights that can be invoked by Executive Order.


Comment from AliceH
Time: April 20, 2013, 1:22 pm

Miranda Rights are specifically associated with the 5th amendment right to not incriminate oneself. If the state does not depend on or plan to use a suspect’s testimony (such as when they’ve got plenty of evidence already), and if a lawyer is provided regardless of whether a suspect specifically requests one, then no one’s rights have been compromised.


Comment from Formerly known as Skeptic
Time: April 20, 2013, 1:23 pm

“The other tidbit is that the Police had searched the area before and found nothing. Hmmm. Was he hiding there all along and the cops missed him?”

My understanding from last night is that it turned out their perimeter was just short of where they eventually found him, so no, that house had not been searched.

As far as the stay indoors order, I don’t think it was too hard to get people to stay indoors when they heard recordings that sound like a war zone every time the police came into contact with these guys.


Comment from Formerly known as Skeptic
Time: April 20, 2013, 1:26 pm

I would point out that I stayed home from work yesterday since my facility is in Cambridge and my son lives in the city as he goes to school in Brookline. I encouraged him to stay put. His girlfriend lives just across the river from Watertown and was in one of the first areas locked down. We encouraged her to stay put too and worried about her all day!


Comment from Pupster
Time: April 20, 2013, 1:50 pm

At the very least, we shouldn’t elect that person for two terms as President.

Nice.


Comment from AliceH
Time: April 20, 2013, 1:51 pm

This is a good article re: the scope and limitations of the public safety exception in Miranda.


Comment from Gromulin
Time: April 20, 2013, 3:56 pm

Yeah, I’m not digging that either. Or the compulsory searches. He would have been found HOURS earlier if the town wasn’t locked down. One man paralyzing an entire metro area is NOT a good message to send.

Oh, and UNCLE RUSLAN FOR PREZNIT 2016!


Comment from Christopher Taylor
Time: April 20, 2013, 4:25 pm

The sad thing is that it wasn’t until after the lockdown was lifted and the guy owning the boat was able to leave his house that he found the guy they were searching for.


Comment from Some Vegetable
Time: April 20, 2013, 5:47 pm

Thank you Helen; that was a good education for me on Miranda.


Comment from Scubafreak
Time: April 20, 2013, 10:22 pm

Stoatie – when are you going to record some of your banjo music for us? You can call it “chicken scratch banjo, a requiem for the chooks and lambs” or something.. 😉


Comment from Subotai Bahadur
Time: April 20, 2013, 10:42 pm

OK, as a retired Peace Officer, I can see wanting … superiority of firepower … over the two Muslim Terrorists. But it has to be admitted that most of the upgunning of the police, and definitely the formerly civilian portions of the Federal Executive Branch is aimed at the American population and not against any threat to them. Anyone who has dealt with DHS minions who are more than happy to claim that an order from the President always overrides the Constitution knows that.

And, living in a not yet disarmed and submissive part of the country [unlike Leftist Massachusetts] something crossed my mind and the minds of a few friends. Keep in mind that my town is full of retired Peace Officers and retired military.

Several of the suburban civilians who videoed the first clash between the two Islamist terrorists and the police on their smartphones were in a perfect overwatch position. Their commentary showed that they knew who the good guys were, and who the bad guys were in that firefight.

There was a shared thought that here, where the people are armed and frequently and willingly come to the aid of law enforcement; that if a nearby city had been hit with a terrorist bombing and it was known that the authorities were tearing the area apart looking for the terrorists, that several of the locals would have pulled out far better weaponry than the terrorists had and taken advantage of visibility, enfilade, and elevation to take measured, aimed shots at the terrorists. Given those advantages, and that they were not distracted by any incoming fire, most likely neither of the Chechens would have gotten away.

10 USC § 311 – Militia: composition and classes

(a) The militia of the United States consists of all able-bodied males at least 17 years of age and, except as provided in section 313 of title 32, under 45 years of age who are, or who have made a declaration of intention to become, citizens of the United States and of female citizens of the United States who are members of the National Guard.
(b) The classes of the militia are—
(1) the organized militia, which consists of the National Guard and the Naval Militia; and
(2) the unorganized militia, which consists of the members of the militia who are not members of the National Guard or the Naval Militia.

10 USC Sec. 312

Sec. 312. Militia duty: exemptions

(a) The following persons are exempt from militia duty:
(1) The Vice President.
(2) The judicial and executive officers of the United States,
the several States, the Commonwealth of Puerto Rico, Guam, and
the Virgin Islands.
(3) Members of the armed forces, except members who are not on
active duty.
(4) Customhouse clerks.
(5) Persons employed by the United States in the transmission
of mail.
(6) Workmen employed in armories, arsenals, and naval shipyards
of the United States.
(7) Pilots on navigable waters.
(8) Mariners in the sea service of a citizen of, or a merchant
in, the United States.

(b) A person who claims exemption because of religious belief is
exempt from militia duty in a combatant capacity, if the
conscientious holding of that belief is established under such
regulations as the President may prescribe. However, such a person
is not exempt from militia duty that the President determines to be
noncombatant.

This wording has been Federal law since 1958. Federal laws are modified by later Federal law. Statutes since then barring gender and age discrimination functionally define the unorganized militia as all citizens and those who have taken out first papers for citizenship over 17 who are not members of the armed forces, state militias [which are covered by another section], and who are not one of the defined exemptions.

And in UNITED STATES v. MILLER, 307 U.S. 174 (1939)307 U.S. 174 the US Supreme Court stated that the militia was “expected to appear bearing arms supplied by themselves and of the kind in common use at the time.”.

This would have been a perfect time for that to happen. Except of course in Leftist run states that fear their own people.

Subotai Bahadur


Comment from Ghost
Time: April 21, 2013, 1:30 am

The fact that Dunkin Donuts was the only business that was allowed to stay open is funnier than any cop/donut joke someone could write.


Comment from Oceania
Time: April 21, 2013, 1:50 am

All these people with backpacks, secret service, bombs here there and everywhere.
Bombs that just don’t match the ‘suspects’ … or the official story …
Ricin timing, Suadis deported, foreign intel agents scarmbling to read your cables …
Public analysis of more suspicious people at the Marathon than at the Book Repository.


Comment from Christopher Taylor
Time: April 21, 2013, 3:44 am

It should be a matter of concern to everyone that cops are getting far more firepower than they need to keep the peace and enforce the law. I do sympathize with cops wanting to have the upper hand and their frustration with bad guys, but there have to be limits.


Comment from Oceania
Time: April 21, 2013, 5:09 am

You’ve probbaly caught 2 out of 12 … you have 10 more terrorists on the loooose!


Comment from S. Weasel
Time: April 21, 2013, 2:21 pm

I get a thrill of schadenfreude knowing this kid ran over his brother and killed him — and if the older brother had survived, chances are things would go much easier on the younger brother.

As it is, we have only one target for our wrath.


Comment from Redd
Time: April 21, 2013, 5:23 pm

Well, you know the defense will blame the older brother. The whackos out there are already calling him a victim.


Comment from AltBBrown
Time: April 21, 2013, 6:03 pm

10? Last I heard there was upwards of a billion terrorists on the “loooose” out there.


Comment from Uncle Badger
Time: April 21, 2013, 11:07 pm

Redd – the BBC has already broadcast a programme with a Moslem ‘journalist’ claiming it was all due to ‘America’s sick society’ and the ‘alienation’ these poor victims experienced….

That scraping sound is the Left rearranging the deckchairs in a big hurry.


Comment from tomfrompv
Time: April 22, 2013, 1:22 am

Oceania points out the Drudge story that the feds are going after a 12 person sleeper cell. Two members, both Muslim males, were arrested.

BUT, the bigger story is that the girlfriend-moll was also arrested. Apparently because the personalized license plate read “TERRORISTA”.

Does anyone in Boston read? Wasn’t there a clue here?


Comment from Oceania
Time: April 22, 2013, 3:03 am

Yeah, the shoot out occured just down the road from where I normally stay ‘incognito’.
I’ve been sent footage of government goons dragging innocent civilians out from their homes at gun-point, street after street!!
I give your country a few months – to blow up.

Why? You can’t even get your lies straight …


Comment from Pablo
Time: April 22, 2013, 10:42 am

Here’s a little of that footage. That might fly in Boston, not so much in other places.


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Comment from John Rambo
Time: April 22, 2013, 1:41 pm

White Feminist Woman at Georgetown University working in the admissions department openly admitted that she REJECTED white men’s applications simply because they were WHITE MEN.

Brief: A female advisor in the admissions department at Georgetown University has been caught openly admitting that she committed the CRIME of discrimination based on people’s race and gender in the application process.

This has the potential to create a large scale lawsuit against Georgetown University, and with the momentum building at the rate it is building, seems very likely that will be the outcome.

Below are the main links to all of the information regarding this news story and case.

http://www.crimesagainstfathers.com/australia/Forums2/tabid/369/forumid/232/threadid/6149/scope/posts/Default.aspx

http://www.avoiceformen.com/georgetown-university-and-men/georgetown-university-in-a-cover-up/


Comment from Christopher Taylor
Time: April 22, 2013, 2:12 pm

The left is still working out the narrative here. It was so easy to write their dream narrative: radical hate-filled gun clinging bible thumping sister-marrying Westboro Baptist church conservative right wingers murder and maim in the name of less government. It was so easy and ready to push and it all fell apart with those names.

So now they’re working hard to find a way to turn this away from the obvious conclusions.


Comment from mojo
Time: April 22, 2013, 3:45 pm

Total. Lockdown.

Because of 2 punks with some crappy explosives.

FAIL.


Comment from A. J. Clemente
Time: April 22, 2013, 4:42 pm

F***ing S**t.
That’s all I have to say on my first day of my blogging.


Comment from S. Weasel
Time: April 22, 2013, 4:46 pm

Heh heh. If you haven’t seen it yet, he’s referring to this.


Comment from A. J. Clemente
Time: April 22, 2013, 5:32 pm

I was trying to pronounce the London Marathon Winner who goes by Fellating Stoat. The editors jumped on the button. I am so scroared.

Also, someone left auto-correct on my teleprompter. Zooey Deschanel sounds so much like Dzack-off Tsarnayoff.


Comment from Oceania
Time: April 23, 2013, 12:26 am

Turns out you have a Saudi national in a hospital injured by the bombing.
He’s Osama bin Ladens son.

Look you dumb Americans.
I come here to troll, and occassionally dumb a little intel – from time to time.
In between sending some of your submarines on wild goose chases.

Time to Wise Up – as you Americans say?


Comment from mojo
Time: April 23, 2013, 9:06 pm

Yes, Ocean, but you’re such a twat that it’s hard to care.


Comment from Oceania
Time: April 23, 2013, 11:20 pm

You’d better care
http://shutking.blogspot.co.nz/2013/04/that-detained-saudi-student-named-al.html


Comment from Oceania
Time: April 24, 2013, 2:04 am

Oh look, I’m now in better company that Mojo, fancy that?

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/04/23/stella-tremblay-boston-bombing_n_3140461.html?ncid=edlinkusaolp%E2%80%8B00000009


Comment from mojo
Time: April 24, 2013, 2:21 pm

Whether I care or not hardly makes a difference, does it? As long as the powers-that-be are determined to ignore the problem, it will continue.

But fee free to be annoyingly breathless.

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