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		<title>By: LemurKing</title>
		<link>http://sweasel.com/archives/1239/comment-page-2#comment-21688</link>
		<dc:creator>LemurKing</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Jun 2008 02:47:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Cripes, TI.  Sorry to hear that.  (attempting to crack a joke)  Perhaps if you seeded the area about 1/2 mile away with trailer parks to draw them off?  Ok, bad joke.  Sorry.  Hope it all works out safely.

&#039;Goo...&quot;Jonathan Hemlock&quot; the assassin?  Ok, that&#039;s rich.

Navajo saying about Datura:  &quot;Eat a little, and go to sleep. Eat some more, and have a dream. Eat some more, and don&#039;t wake up.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Cripes, TI.  Sorry to hear that.  (attempting to crack a joke)  Perhaps if you seeded the area about 1/2 mile away with trailer parks to draw them off?  Ok, bad joke.  Sorry.  Hope it all works out safely.</p>
<p>&#8216;Goo&#8230;&#8221;Jonathan Hemlock&#8221; the assassin?  Ok, that&#8217;s rich.</p>
<p>Navajo saying about Datura:  &#8220;Eat a little, and go to sleep. Eat some more, and have a dream. Eat some more, and don&#8217;t wake up.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Steamboat McGoo</title>
		<link>http://sweasel.com/archives/1239/comment-page-2#comment-21675</link>
		<dc:creator>Steamboat McGoo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Jun 2008 01:18:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The Eiger Sanction? Um, it&#039;s not bad as long as you aren&#039;t looking for a deep message or anything. The movie quoted the book almost line-for-line and was poorly acted. Eastwood could have done better if he&#039;d dressed up the dialog for &quot;viewing&quot; instead of reading. But it&#039;s sassy and has a few good lines in it.

If you want to read Trevanian, try Shibumi or Hot Night in the City. The Basque short stories are absolutely hilarious.

In Eiger Sanction the assassin Johnathan Hemlock arranges for some Datura seeds to be processed to taint some wine given to an enemy. The enemy was described as spending the rest of his life in an asylum staring into space and humming the same single tone all day long.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Eiger Sanction? Um, it&#8217;s not bad as long as you aren&#8217;t looking for a deep message or anything. The movie quoted the book almost line-for-line and was poorly acted. Eastwood could have done better if he&#8217;d dressed up the dialog for &#8220;viewing&#8221; instead of reading. But it&#8217;s sassy and has a few good lines in it.</p>
<p>If you want to read Trevanian, try Shibumi or Hot Night in the City. The Basque short stories are absolutely hilarious.</p>
<p>In Eiger Sanction the assassin Johnathan Hemlock arranges for some Datura seeds to be processed to taint some wine given to an enemy. The enemy was described as spending the rest of his life in an asylum staring into space and humming the same single tone all day long.</p>
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		<title>By: TattooedIntellectual</title>
		<link>http://sweasel.com/archives/1239/comment-page-2#comment-21668</link>
		<dc:creator>TattooedIntellectual</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Jun 2008 00:00:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>DAMN IT!!!!  We&#039;re under another fucking t&#039;storm warning looking at tornadoes.  I&#039;ve spent more time trapped in the basement w/ family in the last month than I care to think about.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>DAMN IT!!!!  We&#8217;re under another fucking t&#8217;storm warning looking at tornadoes.  I&#8217;ve spent more time trapped in the basement w/ family in the last month than I care to think about.</p>
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		<title>By: LemurKing</title>
		<link>http://sweasel.com/archives/1239/comment-page-2#comment-21667</link>
		<dc:creator>LemurKing</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Jun 2008 23:53:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The bizarre things about jimson weed - it&#039;s a weed and you can find it almost literally anywhere, and the other thing is teenagers have been known to use it to get high.  Problem is the difference between trippin&#039; and dyin&#039; is like razor thin.

Neal Stephenson writes in the Baroque Cycle, of an assassin that paints his blades with nicotine, and if it is a true description... oh that&#039;s nasty stuff.

I got really interested in plants in general McGoo, and it is frightening how many common plants can kill or make you really sick.  The list is longer than the list of good things (nearly).  Enough to really freak a parent out if they want to indulge in torturing themselves silly with worry.

Was the Eiger Sanction worth running down and reading?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The bizarre things about jimson weed &#8211; it&#8217;s a weed and you can find it almost literally anywhere, and the other thing is teenagers have been known to use it to get high.  Problem is the difference between trippin&#8217; and dyin&#8217; is like razor thin.</p>
<p>Neal Stephenson writes in the Baroque Cycle, of an assassin that paints his blades with nicotine, and if it is a true description&#8230; oh that&#8217;s nasty stuff.</p>
<p>I got really interested in plants in general McGoo, and it is frightening how many common plants can kill or make you really sick.  The list is longer than the list of good things (nearly).  Enough to really freak a parent out if they want to indulge in torturing themselves silly with worry.</p>
<p>Was the Eiger Sanction worth running down and reading?</p>
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		<title>By: TattooedIntellectual</title>
		<link>http://sweasel.com/archives/1239/comment-page-2#comment-21666</link>
		<dc:creator>TattooedIntellectual</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Jun 2008 23:18:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ahh, systematics.  Kingdom, phylum, class, order, family, genus, species.  Linnaeus started out splitting plants and animals (makes sense) and minerals (not so much sense) into three kingdoms.  Current thought is that isn&#039;t quite good enough and we&#039;ve added domains in front of kingdoms--3 domains: bacteria, eukarya, and archaea.  The wiki information is pretty decent on biological classifications. 

Systematists are the extreme OCD types in the biology field, but it&#039;s an interesting study.  Most classifications were done by visual examination and grouping by an amateur &quot;expert&quot; naturalist in that area/group.  Current classifications are typically based on mtDNA, protein, or other genetic analysis in addition to examining the species prior designation.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ahh, systematics.  Kingdom, phylum, class, order, family, genus, species.  Linnaeus started out splitting plants and animals (makes sense) and minerals (not so much sense) into three kingdoms.  Current thought is that isn&#8217;t quite good enough and we&#8217;ve added domains in front of kingdoms&#8211;3 domains: bacteria, eukarya, and archaea.  The wiki information is pretty decent on biological classifications. </p>
<p>Systematists are the extreme OCD types in the biology field, but it&#8217;s an interesting study.  Most classifications were done by visual examination and grouping by an amateur &#8220;expert&#8221; naturalist in that area/group.  Current classifications are typically based on mtDNA, protein, or other genetic analysis in addition to examining the species prior designation.</p>
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		<title>By: Steamboat McGoo</title>
		<link>http://sweasel.com/archives/1239/comment-page-2#comment-21650</link>
		<dc:creator>Steamboat McGoo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Jun 2008 22:14:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Datura!

I read about that stuff in a Trevanian novel - &lt;i&gt;Eiger Sanction&lt;/i&gt;, I think. I have always kept it in mind in case I really wanted to take revenge on someone. A sufficiently serious opportunity has not occurred yet. But when it does, Steamboat McGoo De&#039; Medici will surge into action!

Yep, Badger, on both counts. The original taxonomy was done on the basis of eyeball- and, later, microscopic- observation of species. But Nature often tossed in ringers. These were only found out (for the most part) when DNA testing was done.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Datura!</p>
<p>I read about that stuff in a Trevanian novel &#8211; <i>Eiger Sanction</i>, I think. I have always kept it in mind in case I really wanted to take revenge on someone. A sufficiently serious opportunity has not occurred yet. But when it does, Steamboat McGoo De&#8217; Medici will surge into action!</p>
<p>Yep, Badger, on both counts. The original taxonomy was done on the basis of eyeball- and, later, microscopic- observation of species. But Nature often tossed in ringers. These were only found out (for the most part) when DNA testing was done.</p>
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		<title>By: LemurKing</title>
		<link>http://sweasel.com/archives/1239/comment-page-2#comment-21648</link>
		<dc:creator>LemurKing</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Jun 2008 21:55:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Lokki - To appease all the Carlos Castaneda fans, we can&#039;t forget Datura (Jimsonweed).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Lokki &#8211; To appease all the Carlos Castaneda fans, we can&#8217;t forget Datura (Jimsonweed).</p>
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		<title>By: Uncle Badger</title>
		<link>http://sweasel.com/archives/1239/comment-page-2#comment-21642</link>
		<dc:creator>Uncle Badger</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Jun 2008 20:29:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>McGoo - I&#039;m sure I read that they are now starting to work on categorisation by DNA which is, I&#039;d have thought, the only sensible way of doing it.

Traditional Linean taxonomy (on which the current relationships are based) could only have been done by appearance and, surely, that can&#039;t be right?

As for Gibby&#039;s point about leaving it alone - no chance of that, I&#039;m afraid! Bloody plant names are changing all the time, anyway. I can think of a few that have changed twice in my gardening lifetime.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>McGoo &#8211; I&#8217;m sure I read that they are now starting to work on categorisation by DNA which is, I&#8217;d have thought, the only sensible way of doing it.</p>
<p>Traditional Linean taxonomy (on which the current relationships are based) could only have been done by appearance and, surely, that can&#8217;t be right?</p>
<p>As for Gibby&#8217;s point about leaving it alone &#8211; no chance of that, I&#8217;m afraid! Bloody plant names are changing all the time, anyway. I can think of a few that have changed twice in my gardening lifetime.</p>
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		<title>By: Gnus</title>
		<link>http://sweasel.com/archives/1239/comment-page-2#comment-21630</link>
		<dc:creator>Gnus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Jun 2008 19:17:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Long live Donnatal.

Just sayin&#039;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Long live Donnatal.</p>
<p>Just sayin&#8217;.</p>
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		<title>By: Steamboat McGoo</title>
		<link>http://sweasel.com/archives/1239/comment-page-2#comment-21627</link>
		<dc:creator>Steamboat McGoo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Jun 2008 18:52:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Gibby - I can&#039;t rely upon my memory of what I read, but (IIRC) the first issue with the classical taxonomic system is that a bunch of specie, genera, family, order, etc members are dead wrong. They &lt;i&gt;look&lt;/i&gt; like they belong in a given cubbyhole or on a particular branch or whatever, and often even have a majority of similar characteristic&#039;s - but are totally unrelated when examined genetically.

The second issue is that the system works so darned well even with the wrinkles that there is little inclination to change it. There is also &quot;generational&quot; inertia, i.e. the old farts don&#039;t want changes. I can understand that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Gibby &#8211; I can&#8217;t rely upon my memory of what I read, but (IIRC) the first issue with the classical taxonomic system is that a bunch of specie, genera, family, order, etc members are dead wrong. They <i>look</i> like they belong in a given cubbyhole or on a particular branch or whatever, and often even have a majority of similar characteristic&#8217;s &#8211; but are totally unrelated when examined genetically.</p>
<p>The second issue is that the system works so darned well even with the wrinkles that there is little inclination to change it. There is also &#8220;generational&#8221; inertia, i.e. the old farts don&#8217;t want changes. I can understand that.</p>
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