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		<title>By: Liberal fascists: who they are, what they do &#124; Cold Fury</title>
		<link>http://sweasel.com/archives/2203/comment-page-3#comment-35269</link>
		<dc:creator>Liberal fascists: who they are, what they do &#124; Cold Fury</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Oct 2008 15:46:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Weaz says it&#8217;s much ado about little to nothing, but I tend to think more along Gutfeldian lines on this one: The Fairness Doctrine illustrates a [...]</description>
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		<title>By: S. Weasel</title>
		<link>http://sweasel.com/archives/2203/comment-page-3#comment-35219</link>
		<dc:creator>S. Weasel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Oct 2008 20:33:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Memomachine, I think this is &lt;i&gt;exactly&lt;/i&gt; the same thing as Congress threatening to bring back the draft: they couldn&#039;t get it through in a zillion years -- and they wouldn&#039;t if they could, because they don&#039;t want it hung around their necks -- but they&#039;ll propose it every ten minutes to try to put the fear of god into you. In fact, that&#039;s pretty much the point of the original post: this is Congress&#039; way of saying to the internet, &quot;you kids settle down back there or we&#039;ll turn this thing right around and head home!&quot;

Only time will tell which of us has it right.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Memomachine, I think this is <i>exactly</i> the same thing as Congress threatening to bring back the draft: they couldn&#8217;t get it through in a zillion years &#8212; and they wouldn&#8217;t if they could, because they don&#8217;t want it hung around their necks &#8212; but they&#8217;ll propose it every ten minutes to try to put the fear of god into you. In fact, that&#8217;s pretty much the point of the original post: this is Congress&#8217; way of saying to the internet, &#8220;you kids settle down back there or we&#8217;ll turn this thing right around and head home!&#8221;</p>
<p>Only time will tell which of us has it right.</p>
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		<title>By: memomachine</title>
		<link>http://sweasel.com/archives/2203/comment-page-3#comment-35216</link>
		<dc:creator>memomachine</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Oct 2008 19:42:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hmmmm.

@ S. Weasel

&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.businessandmedia.org/articles/2008/20080812160747.aspx&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;
Fairness Doctrine Could Apply To The Web, FCC Commissioner Warns&lt;/a&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hmmmm.</p>
<p>@ S. Weasel</p>
<p><a href="http://www.businessandmedia.org/articles/2008/20080812160747.aspx" rel="nofollow"><br />
Fairness Doctrine Could Apply To The Web, FCC Commissioner Warns</a></p>
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		<title>By: memomachine</title>
		<link>http://sweasel.com/archives/2203/comment-page-3#comment-35215</link>
		<dc:creator>memomachine</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Oct 2008 19:36:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hmmmmm.

@ apotheosis 

1. &quot;I believe this could be overcome with randomly distributed independent servers, and I defy you to name anything more random, distributed, or independent than a pack of weasels.&quot;

Sorry but while that sounds good it really doesn&#039;t mean much.

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@ S. Weasel

1. &quot;Ugh. Seriously. I can’t read a block of internet text that long, numbered or not, M’machine. So I’ll react to the last couple of paragraphs and hope the cure for cancer wasn’t in the middle somewhere.&quot;

*shrug* ok.

2. &quot;The bandwidth sweasel.com uses is minute. Why do you think it’s in black and white? Because grayscale images are smaller. If they choke off bandwidth to my little corner of hell, the whole rest will be utterly unusable.&quot;

Sorry but you&#039;re thinking 2005 still.  The major carriers, who own the pipes that everyone else leases out, have the technology to limit bandwidth based on IP addresses.  What they want is the legal authority, i.e. approval by Congress and no interference, to do so. 

3. &quot;And I’d be perfectly content to go text-only if I had to. USENET if absolutely necessary; I kind of pine for those days. You know how much ascii text you can fit in 1K?&quot;

Yes I do know.  But I&#039;ll point out that if you are limited to USENET then you&#039;ve already lost.

4. &quot;And OF COURSE 1st Amendment protections extend to the internet. In fact, they extend farther on the internet than we ever managed to apply them in print. Ever visited alt.tasteless or rotten.com or 4chan? Brrrr.&quot;

No actually they don&#039;t.  First Amendment applies to the government.  It doesn&#039;t apply to *corporations*.  And that&#039;s what I&#039;m talking about.

5. &quot;You do realize that the First A. does not guarantee that you can say anything you want to anywhere you want to without repercussions, right?&quot;

Yes I do.

6. &quot;It simply says Congress shall make no law. They let the McCain/Feingold abomination slip past it, but the day they make it illegal for me to say “Nancy Pelosi is a doody-head” on my blog is the day we might as well not have a constitution. And then, seriously, we’re into “Clinton declares martial law” territory.&quot;

But what if the major carriers decide your content violates their TOS and then block your IP?  What if a Democratic Congress passes a law that allows them to do so without any recourse to the courts?

You&#039;re screwed.

7. &quot;Which is not even to touch, once again, on the complete impossibility of choking off a little ascii text in the middle of this huge howling shitstorm of spam and pirated music. The ‘net would have to change into something radically different to make that possible.&quot;

Sorry but you&#039;re still forgetting that there have to be servers and fiber, and that people who own them cannot be anonymous.

8. &quot;I don’t put it past them to try. But wouldn’t be to go after Rush Limbaugh, let alone Stoaty Weasel. It would be at the behest of the recording industry.&quot;

You&#039;re not paying attention then to what is going on around you.

9. &quot;And it wouldn’t work.&quot;

The RIAA can&#039;t make their efforts work because they can&#039;t get the carriers to comply.

Congress has a lot more juice than the RIAA.

Check out Hotair.com

&lt;a href=&quot;http://hotair.com/archives/2008/10/22/jeff-bingaman-you-know-what-would-be-sweet-bringing-back-the-fairness-doctrine/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Hotair.com&lt;/a&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hmmmmm.</p>
<p>@ apotheosis </p>
<p>1. &#8220;I believe this could be overcome with randomly distributed independent servers, and I defy you to name anything more random, distributed, or independent than a pack of weasels.&#8221;</p>
<p>Sorry but while that sounds good it really doesn&#8217;t mean much.</p>
<p>&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;-</p>
<p>@ S. Weasel</p>
<p>1. &#8220;Ugh. Seriously. I can’t read a block of internet text that long, numbered or not, M’machine. So I’ll react to the last couple of paragraphs and hope the cure for cancer wasn’t in the middle somewhere.&#8221;</p>
<p>*shrug* ok.</p>
<p>2. &#8220;The bandwidth sweasel.com uses is minute. Why do you think it’s in black and white? Because grayscale images are smaller. If they choke off bandwidth to my little corner of hell, the whole rest will be utterly unusable.&#8221;</p>
<p>Sorry but you&#8217;re thinking 2005 still.  The major carriers, who own the pipes that everyone else leases out, have the technology to limit bandwidth based on IP addresses.  What they want is the legal authority, i.e. approval by Congress and no interference, to do so. </p>
<p>3. &#8220;And I’d be perfectly content to go text-only if I had to. USENET if absolutely necessary; I kind of pine for those days. You know how much ascii text you can fit in 1K?&#8221;</p>
<p>Yes I do know.  But I&#8217;ll point out that if you are limited to USENET then you&#8217;ve already lost.</p>
<p>4. &#8220;And OF COURSE 1st Amendment protections extend to the internet. In fact, they extend farther on the internet than we ever managed to apply them in print. Ever visited alt.tasteless or rotten.com or 4chan? Brrrr.&#8221;</p>
<p>No actually they don&#8217;t.  First Amendment applies to the government.  It doesn&#8217;t apply to *corporations*.  And that&#8217;s what I&#8217;m talking about.</p>
<p>5. &#8220;You do realize that the First A. does not guarantee that you can say anything you want to anywhere you want to without repercussions, right?&#8221;</p>
<p>Yes I do.</p>
<p>6. &#8220;It simply says Congress shall make no law. They let the McCain/Feingold abomination slip past it, but the day they make it illegal for me to say “Nancy Pelosi is a doody-head” on my blog is the day we might as well not have a constitution. And then, seriously, we’re into “Clinton declares martial law” territory.&#8221;</p>
<p>But what if the major carriers decide your content violates their TOS and then block your IP?  What if a Democratic Congress passes a law that allows them to do so without any recourse to the courts?</p>
<p>You&#8217;re screwed.</p>
<p>7. &#8220;Which is not even to touch, once again, on the complete impossibility of choking off a little ascii text in the middle of this huge howling shitstorm of spam and pirated music. The ‘net would have to change into something radically different to make that possible.&#8221;</p>
<p>Sorry but you&#8217;re still forgetting that there have to be servers and fiber, and that people who own them cannot be anonymous.</p>
<p>8. &#8220;I don’t put it past them to try. But wouldn’t be to go after Rush Limbaugh, let alone Stoaty Weasel. It would be at the behest of the recording industry.&#8221;</p>
<p>You&#8217;re not paying attention then to what is going on around you.</p>
<p>9. &#8220;And it wouldn’t work.&#8221;</p>
<p>The RIAA can&#8217;t make their efforts work because they can&#8217;t get the carriers to comply.</p>
<p>Congress has a lot more juice than the RIAA.</p>
<p>Check out Hotair.com</p>
<p><a href="http://hotair.com/archives/2008/10/22/jeff-bingaman-you-know-what-would-be-sweet-bringing-back-the-fairness-doctrine/" rel="nofollow">Hotair.com</a></p>
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		<title>By: Christopher Taylor</title>
		<link>http://sweasel.com/archives/2203/comment-page-3#comment-35214</link>
		<dc:creator>Christopher Taylor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Oct 2008 19:34:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;Again, the only reason they got away with it on broadcast TV and radio is because bandwidth is limited and therefore controlled by the government.&lt;/i&gt;

And the only reason we didn&#039;t have to worry about the McCain-Feingold CFR bill was because the supreme court would &lt;i&gt;clearly&lt;/i&gt; find it in violation of the 1st amendment...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>Again, the only reason they got away with it on broadcast TV and radio is because bandwidth is limited and therefore controlled by the government.</i></p>
<p>And the only reason we didn&#8217;t have to worry about the McCain-Feingold CFR bill was because the supreme court would <i>clearly</i> find it in violation of the 1st amendment&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Lemur King</title>
		<link>http://sweasel.com/archives/2203/comment-page-3#comment-35193</link>
		<dc:creator>Lemur King</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Oct 2008 15:41:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>apo ... :)

Sighted, but not sure about the ID... was that a pepper-troll that wandered by?

Again... :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>apo &#8230; <img src='http://sweasel.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>Sighted, but not sure about the ID&#8230; was that a pepper-troll that wandered by?</p>
<p>Again&#8230; <img src='http://sweasel.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: apotheosis</title>
		<link>http://sweasel.com/archives/2203/comment-page-3#comment-35192</link>
		<dc:creator>apotheosis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Oct 2008 14:21:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;Ferdous Alfaruque&lt;/i&gt;

Bond villain?  Arugala subspecies?  Flesh-eating virus?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>Ferdous Alfaruque</i></p>
<p>Bond villain?  Arugala subspecies?  Flesh-eating virus?</p>
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		<title>By: S. Weasel</title>
		<link>http://sweasel.com/archives/2203/comment-page-3#comment-35191</link>
		<dc:creator>S. Weasel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Oct 2008 14:14:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You know, I read &lt;a href=&quot;http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalradar/2008/10/obama-alters-ta.html&quot; target=&quot;_blank&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;this article&lt;/a&gt; about how Obama is tweaking his &#039;tax refund&#039; to apply to workers only, so it doesn&#039;t look so much like welfare, and all I could think was...

Teddy Davis, Hope Ditto, Arnab Datta, and Ferdous Alfaruque?!? Is that a byline, or a new show on Cartoon Network?!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You know, I read <a href="http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalradar/2008/10/obama-alters-ta.html" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">this article</a> about how Obama is tweaking his &#8216;tax refund&#8217; to apply to workers only, so it doesn&#8217;t look so much like welfare, and all I could think was&#8230;</p>
<p>Teddy Davis, Hope Ditto, Arnab Datta, and Ferdous Alfaruque?!? Is that a byline, or a new show on Cartoon Network?!</p>
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		<title>By: apotheosis</title>
		<link>http://sweasel.com/archives/2203/comment-page-3#comment-35190</link>
		<dc:creator>apotheosis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Oct 2008 14:07:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just tell him to kiss your bhut.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just tell him to kiss your bhut.</p>
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		<title>By: Lemur King</title>
		<link>http://sweasel.com/archives/2203/comment-page-3#comment-35189</link>
		<dc:creator>Lemur King</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Oct 2008 14:01:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yo Gonz, the last thing I&#039;m going to do is get into a discussion about who&#039;s got the biggest cojones.  I like mine just fine and am happy with &#039;em.

I have yet to even run into someone who actually held a jolokia much less ate one.  Mostly people read about them and talk trash.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yo Gonz, the last thing I&#8217;m going to do is get into a discussion about who&#8217;s got the biggest cojones.  I like mine just fine and am happy with &#8216;em.</p>
<p>I have yet to even run into someone who actually held a jolokia much less ate one.  Mostly people read about them and talk trash.</p>
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