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Friday December 21


Comment from Gibby Haynes
Time: December 22, 2007, 12:09 pm

You know, on reflection, I can’t understand why our currency isn’t the Euro (it’s nice they let some autistic monkeys come up with the name for it) by now. Europe has laid the smackdown on us in so many ways already, it’s quite shocking that we’ve still got one little bastion of Britishidity.
I’m just waiting with underpant-tightening excitement to see how they manage to circumvent the little stubborn fact that only 95% of the British public want a referendum on the EU constitution. It’ll probably go something like this ‘Who are you plebs to demand how we invest your future? Now get out of my sight – you sicken me!’

Comment from Steamboat McGoo
Time: December 22, 2007, 9:25 pm

Gibby – is this EU-ization of Jolly Olde really in Britain’s best interests? Is this wise?

Seems to me (and I am a moron, remember) that combining your economies and currencies, etc is a lose-lose proposition for GB. It will effectively just redistribute your countries’ wealth amongst the have-not’s in the EU.

It would be like the US combining wealth and GDP with Spain. They win, we lose.

Comment from armybrat
Time: December 22, 2007, 11:02 pm

Grew up in europe when each country still had its own currancy. I remember it being just a whole separate part of the brain…..oh, today is pounds, tomorrow francs. Don’t try to convert. it is what it is….and today in (fill in a country name) it is this amount.

course my daddy paid a lot of my bills in those days so take this tip with a grain of salt!

Comment from Gibby Haynes
Time: December 23, 2007, 2:51 am

I don’t know much about economics McGoo, so I really couldn’t say. But it seems to me that it’s basically another form of communism. Those poor, eastern European countries who were freed from the yoke of the Soviets are now…under the yoke of the EU. ‘Here you go little (though paradoxically significantly larger than us), poor country that I’ve never heard of up until now. Here’s some money so you can subsidise some unviable industry. Now run along and play nice with all of the other little poor countries.’ *pats country on head*
I wouldn’t mind so much if this EU thing yielded the kinds of results a degenerate like myself could benefit from. You know like, an influx of lithe, hardbodied, east-European sluts who can strip a rifle, blindfolded, and open beer bottles with their…well, you get the idea.
But no, it’s all market protectionism, economic migrants, political correctness and giving your money away to countries that really don’t deserve it.
Thankfully, we’ve got a tried and tested valve or stopgap called the English Channel which – as you know – separates us from the continent. Sure, it may be bitterly cold, full of effluent and used condoms, but it slowed Hitler down and frankly, the Euroweenies have nothing on him.

Comment from Uncle Badger
Time: December 23, 2007, 9:13 am

McGoo and Gibby both have it right about the EU.

I would only add that it is also the creature of a political class, raised and educated to rule ‘for your own good’ and, as such, profoundly unrepresentative of what the people actually want.

Leaving aside the arrogance of this aim, what is so astonishing is how badly they do it. The EU is an utter shambles and the people running it, posturing fools.

Furthermore, whatever the ‘brotherhood of man’ crowd might like to believe, the peoples of Europe are hugely diverse. What suits a Bulgarian won’t necessarily a Spaniard, or a German, a Dane, or a Briton. The USA worked because you created something called ‘An American’ and turned yourselves into them. As you were all fleeing somewhere else and so elected to become that creature, that was well and good.

In Europe, on the other hand, the bastards walked into our homes and demanded it of us.

I hope they rot in hell.

Comment from Steamboat McGoo
Time: December 23, 2007, 9:43 am

I will bring a word into the discussion that needs to be used carefully: culture.

Not culture as in Picasso vs. Warhol and Beethoven vs Iron maiden, but culture as in historic (and inherited)aristocracy vs historic peasantry, work ethic, proximity to (foreign) neighbors, outside influence, and old and cherished social customs, etc.

IMHO – some cultures simply cannot adapt to a (near, or only very mild) classless culture, and the industries and methods one develops. More importantly, there are the “grey” regions – cultures that can adapt, but only poorly or incompletely. It isn’t a matter of one culture being better than another – just more-suited for a system of economy and rule that currently obtains better economic results.

I don’t think the EU will “succeed” really well (for all those reasons we’ve all pointed out, and more) until it makes significant cultural changes – changes that Japan, Germany, and India have managed to make (or bend into a suitable faux-behaviorism), or are succeeding in making.

Cultures are changed only with difficulty – and usually with a great deal of pain.

I think there are some painful times ahead.

One of the reasons the US has succeeded so well is that we didn’t (and still don’t) have an established aristocracy or strong ruling class, and we lacked domineering/competing neighbors so we could “relax” a bit and go with what worked during a critical time in human history (the industrial revolution, IR). Our society and culture was shaped by this to a great extent. This was easier than trying to adapt or shape the IR to an already-existing culture that was actually somewhat ill-suited to it.

Changing culture is something one attempts with great reluctance and caution: riots and wars have resulted from ill-conceived attempts in the past.

Comment from Lokki
Time: December 23, 2007, 3:16 pm

I agree with everyone(and it isn’t Gibby cocking the shotgun that makes me say this) – The EU has never made sense to me as a viable entity. What drives your Spaniard is very, very different that what drives your German, and your Englishman is a different breed than any of them. The French, well, the less said the better.

The socialist view that we are molded from the same clay is nonsense and that idea is absolutely NOT what the USA is about. What makes the United States work is that no one culture can really beat the others into total submission – but everyone is welcome to try. This, I think, is the reason that our flag is so important to us: it’s the only thing that all of us have in common. The album I’m listening to right now, is a nice example of what happens for us at the best – Robert Plant and Allison Kraus singing together. Neither is entirely in their comfort zone, and the combination is fascinating.

I just don’t see Europe melding that way. You get a Frenchman with his accordian, a German oompah band, an Italian vocalist, and a Spanish flamenco dancer all sharing the stage. The result is the new series of EU ads which tell the truth; that is, the only thing that the EU countries have in common is that everyone has sex.

Let’s Come Together.

I think all it does is prove the point that not even fuck-all is the same across the EU…

And, as an example of that the site I used to link ‘Let’s come Together’ is “Unzipped Gay Armenia”. Good Luck on your no-borders policy there, EU.

Comment from Michael
Time: December 23, 2007, 7:02 pm

Merry Christmas, Ms. Weasel!

It would be like the US combining wealth and GDP with Spain. They win, we lose.

Hah! We’re not stupid enough to combine with Spain. Oh no. We’re doing it with Mexico!

Comment from porknbean
Time: December 23, 2007, 8:19 pm

I would only add that it is also the creature of a political class, raised and educated to rule ‘for your own good’ and, as such, profoundly unrepresentative of what the people actually want.

So the monarchy never went away, it just changed form a bit. And I see the EU kinda like an Attila the Hun on the fast track to continent wide domination.

Comment from porknbean
Time: December 23, 2007, 8:22 pm

And to add to the above, our next election is critical in keeping Attila the Hun’s mama away from the White House, our pocketbooks, our liberty.

Comment from Steamboat McGoo
Time: December 23, 2007, 9:10 pm

Michael – I almost used Mexico as the example – but I wanted a European one.

…and – PnB – you’re damned right this election is important. I think – without exaggeration – that this one is the most important one in perhaps…forever. I don’t think there has ever been a more important one. Really.

And I’m not liking what I’m hearing out there. I may need to pull a “Stoaty” disappearing act next year, too, and get out of Dodge so-to-speak.

But…where to go? ‘Merica is still the best bet right now…so its either Cannuckistan or Mexicablad.

Comment from S. Weasel
Time: December 23, 2007, 9:35 pm

Chile is supposed to be Libertariastan these days, innit?

Comment from Steamboat McGoo
Time: December 23, 2007, 9:43 pm

I hadn’t thought that far south, Weas. Interesting…

I will check out the exchange rate and inflation rate there. Chilean can’t be any harder to learn than Espanol or Cannuckafrog.

I read somewhere that watching a Canadian-French person speak french in Paris to Parisians is one of the 5 world’s best funny moments.

Comment from porknbean
Time: December 23, 2007, 11:04 pm

And I’m not liking what I’m hearing out there. I may need to pull a “Stoaty” disappearing act next year, too, and get out of Dodge so-to-speak.

Er..what are you hearing? That everyone is fawning over Huckleberry a.k.a. Hillary-Lite? I’ve been trying to not hear much lately as the plans the commies have tend to give me sleepless nights and diarrhea.

Comment from Steamboat McGoo
Time: December 23, 2007, 11:22 pm

Yes, pnb – among other things. I really don’t care for most of the (R) candidates and their positions, and I don’t like the way the MSM is continuing to spin this whole primary effort.

I think what bothers me most is the level of open cynicism manifesting itself out there. I’ve seen a lot of election cycles, and this is the worst – by far. Even worse than ’68 or ’72.

Meanwhile we still have a significant portion of (arguably) the most primitive and violent religion that presently exists out there -actively trying to bring down my favorite nation, culture, and lifestyle. Further, we have an entire political party that – knowingly or not – is actively assisting them.

Further, we have that same political party actively buying into the biggest technological hoax ever perpetrated upon anyone in history, and simultaneously trying to slide the country into falsified and demonstrably flawed socialism.

And – for the gravy – we have a judicial branch that somehow has decided that they can legislate – or demand legislation – without so much as a nod to the legislative branch.

And – meanwhile – all our former allies are having their own problems (some of them the same as ours), while new (and untrustworthy) governments are watching and maneuvering – waiting for any sign of weakness in us or our friends.

How’s that for a Sunday-night screed?

Comment from porknbean
Time: December 23, 2007, 11:53 pm

Sigh. That is what I thought. To top it all off noone with balls wants to make the serious grown-up decisions. Too worried about polls and what the media will do. I don’t care much for the R’s either, but a couple of them would be infinitely better than the Stalinista.

What really pisses me off is that I want to see real meaty debates and it is like whoever sponsors one intentially prevents that from happening. It’s all fluff and softballs with the communist party and it’s all commie plants on the weenie side. And noone talks about the manipulations, who’s behind it, and why.

And it is simply frightening how stupid and uninformed most politicians are. Example: Charlie Rangel writes the budget. What kind of financial or economic background does he have? Pelosi runs the House and other than gumming it up at gay parades…..WTF is she there? None of them are even trying to understand what is going on politically, historically, and why in other countries other than saying we are at fault and need to get back our reputation while actively assisting our demise. My mother complains about how government is broken and gets all pissed when I bring up the fact that she voted them in (she’s a dem). And both parents will tell you that we have no enemy, islam is not affecting us. Eh?

And the masses continue to walk around with their fingers up their noses and worry about offending anyone. Make nice no matter what and your fat-assed esteem will be all better.
*thinking back to an argument with a gay guy that got free speech banned at a blog to do with my hobby – I said Madonna was a skank. He said she could do no wrong and who was I to judge. I said to keep my kids safe I will judge skanks and keep them out of my house just like Madonna will not let her kids know what she has done or watch TV. His head exploded. Now we can’t talk about anything outside of the hobby = traffic is now snail snot.*

Comment from Dawn
Time: December 24, 2007, 1:25 pm

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Comment from Muslihoon
Time: December 24, 2007, 1:55 pm

Jim Hacker: “Europe is a community of nations, dedicated towards one goal.”
Sir Humphrey: “Oh, ha ha ha.”
Jim Hacker: “May we share the joke, Humphrey?”
Sir Humphrey: “Oh Minister, let’s look at this objectively. It’s a game played for national interests, it always was. Why do you suppose we went into it?”
Jim Hacker: “To strengthen the brotherhood of Free Western nations.”
Sir Humphrey: “Oh really. We went in to screw the French by splitting them off from the Germans.”
Jim Hacker: “So why did the French go into it then?”
Sir Humphrey: “Well, to protect their inefficient farmers from commercial competition.”
Jim Hacker: “That certainly doesn’t apply to the Germans.”
Sir Humphrey: “No no, they went in to cleanse themselves of genocide and apply for readmission to the human race.”
Jim Hacker: “I never heard such appalling cynicism. At least the small nations didn’t go into it for selfish reasons.”
Sir Humphrey: “Oh really? Luxembourg is in it for the perks; the capital of the EEC, all that foreign money pouring in.”
Jim Hacker: “Very sensible central location.”
Sir Humphrey: “With the administration in Brussels and the Parliament in Strasbourg? Minister, it’s like having the House of Commons in Swindon and the Civil Service in Kettering.”

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