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mccain and clinton sitting in a tree

Tweedledum and Tweedledee
Agreed to have a battle;
For Tweedledum said Tweedledee
Had spoiled his nice new rattle.

Just then flew down a monstrous crow,
As black as a tar-barrel;
Which frightened both the heroes so,
They quite forgot their quarrel.

Big black crow? Uhhhh…no comment. Hey, I don’t write the nursery rhymes. I just press them into service when much brain hurt ouchie.

Excúseme, yo tienen que aprender hablar español.


Comment from porknbean
Time: January 30, 2008, 12:47 pm

The Walrus and the Carpenter
Walked on a mile or so,
And then they rested on a rock
Conveniently low:
And all the little Oysters stood
And waited in a row.

‘The time has come,’ the Walrus said,
‘To talk of many things:
Of shoes – and ships – and sealing wax-
Of cabbages – and kings –
And why the sea is boiling hot –
And whether pigs have wings.’

Now boys and girls, does anyone remember what became of those little oysters at the hands of the walrus and the carpenter who preached globalism, class warfare, and global warming?

Comment from Dawn
Time: January 30, 2008, 12:54 pm

argggghhhhh! What have we done?

Comment from Gibby Haynes
Time: January 30, 2008, 12:57 pm

…Still like him (overall). But what do I know – I’m just a Limey.

Comment from Dawn
Time: January 30, 2008, 1:04 pm

Oh Gibby, you are going to die on that horse, aren’t you? We like McCain as a person. He’s a war hero afterall. But, he shall never be forgiven for his stooopid “Gang of Fourteen”. My party lost both houses because of his bipartisan nonsense.

Comment from Dawn
Time: January 30, 2008, 1:17 pm

well looky what I found on wiki…

Me-too Republicans

From the 1930s on, another phrase for RiNOs has been “Me-too Republicans”; those who ran on a platform of agreeing with the Democratic party, proclaiming only minor or moderating differences. This was often blamed for Republican losses, because you “might as well vote for the real Democrat”:

Let me warn the nation, against the smooth evasion which says, ‘of course we believe all these things, we believe in social-security, we believe in work for the unemployed, we believe in saving homes — cross our hearts and hope to die, we believe in all these things. But we do not like the way the president’s administration is doing them. Just turn them over to us. We will do all of them, we will do more of them, we will do them better, and best of all, the doing of them will not cost anybody anything.– Franklin D. Roosevelt

Comment from porknbean
Time: January 30, 2008, 1:27 pm

FDR was a great leader throughout the war, but he was the one who started the social program gravy train for the sole purpose of keeping the dems in power for a long time.

Comment from Dawn
Time: January 30, 2008, 1:36 pm

best of all, the doing of them will not cost anybody anything.

Comment from S. Weasel
Time: January 30, 2008, 1:43 pm

Gibby, I was gearing up to write out a shopping list of shitty things McCain has done over the years (and they are many), but they all spring from the same central flaw: he doesn’t like conservatives and he LOVES his reputation as a maverick. That’s his entire political philosophy.

Do you know what “maverick” and “straight talker” means in a country whose news is controlled by the left? (Sure you do: yours is named Cameron). It’s somebody who sticks his thumb in the eye of his own side every chance he gets.

He’s mostly conservative on most issues, but he cannot resist the temptation to play the spoiler, the rebel, the nonconformist. So when it matters to you most, he’s most likely to drop trou and shit in your cornflakes. With a big ol’ sanctimonious grin on his face. You just never know when or where.

I don’t even think he’s good on his signature issue, the war. He wants to close Gitmo and pre-emptively rule out rough interrogation techniques. I believe he was first to come out for a surge because, at the time, that was the opposite of what we were doing and he was sticking it to the White House. I mean it; I don’t think he’s any deeper than that. It was, “I hate Bush, so I’ll fuck with him at a critical time.” That, later, there was a surge and it apparently worked out pretty well is pure lucky coincidence.

He’s spiteful, vindictive and famous for blowing his top behind the scenes. I swear I’d rather have Hillary. She’s so cravenly poll-driven, I might just get my way from time to time. McCain is an asshole; he’d figure out what I want and purposely do the opposite. And crow about it. “My friends, John McCain doesn’t pander to the rabid attack dogs of the far right.”

He won’t even suck up to us NOW, when he needs us badly. How’s he going to act if he gets to sit in the big leather chair?

Fuck him. Fuck him sideways, six ways to sunday. Fuck him coming and going. Fuck him upside the head with a two-by-four. In short, fuck you John McCain.

Comment from Gnus
Time: January 30, 2008, 1:44 pm

Kewl! I can lay on the couch eating bon bons and watching Oprah.

And later, Jerry Springer.

Comment from porknbean
Time: January 30, 2008, 2:15 pm

…Still like him (overall). But what do I know – I’m just a Limey.

Other than his war hero status, what exactly is likeable about him?

Do you like his concern over the looming global warming producing a bill that would have driven energy costs up by 31%, not to mention the thousands per additional household expense?

Or perhaps you like his partnership with the fattest piece of shit politician in the name of Mary-Jo-killer-spineless dropout-drunk-Kennedy to give amnesty plus all kinds of benefits to illegal aliens, while our kids have to compete with them and affirmative action for them? The cost of that monster makes his claim that he is all for reducing government spending fucking laughable.

Maybe you like him protecting his fellow politicians from any negative ads 30-60 days outside of an election. He swore to uphold the Constitution and with this McCain/Feingold he shat right on it along with opening other easier doors for George Soros to funnel millions to the party he bought.

He is not conservative as his actions speak louder than his pandering.

Tell you what…you like him so much, you can have him.

Comment from porknbean
Time: January 30, 2008, 2:22 pm

She’s so cravenly poll-driven, I might just get my way from time to time.

I don’t think so. Her kind of corrupt and rage is a different caliber than the walking STD she is ‘married’ to. Bill was all about Bill wanting acceptance and the spotlight and the dirty money. She has an axe to grind.

I don’t like her or McCain. At all. But, I despise her.

Comment from Lokki
Time: January 30, 2008, 2:43 pm

Add me to the list of McCain haters. I still remember the Keating 5 where he took all that moola. Dawn has pointed out his second most recent stumble with the gang of 14, and I’m having trouble believing that he is being forgiven for his immigration position.

McCain is totally unreliable on ANY given subject. He’s Forest Gump’s box of chocolates for president.

Weasel has summed up my position nicely.

Fuck him. Fuck him sideways, six ways to sunday. Fuck him coming and going. Fuck him upside the head with a two-by-four. In short, fuck you John McCain.

I’ll stay home before I’ll vote for McCain

Comment from Gibby Haynes
Time: January 30, 2008, 3:12 pm

Maybe it is the war hero thing and the speeches I’ve seen on C-Span. Admittedly I don’t know much about him. Yeah, that’s a weak excuse, but hey, I’ll go with it anyway.
I don’t think it’s fair to draw any parallels between Britain’s so-called conservative party, the Conservatives, and the GOP. I would honestly, glady eat my own face to have a candidate running for Prime Minister who used the kind of rhetoric the Republican Presidential hopefuls do. Hell even some of the Democrat candidates sound more conservative than the shower of shite we get to choose (or used to; now, seemingly, weird, uncharismatic automatons just sort of assume the role of Prime Miniter unelected) from.
So McCain may seem trecherous and some sort of Republican-Democrat hybrid to you guys, but here, you could bet your asses that he’d be super right wing.
Uh…I’ve lost my train of though…
Anywho, if McCain does go on to become the nominee, and you all stay home as a form of protest, doesn’t that mean you’ll end up with Hillary or Obama as President? Is that preferable to McCain?

Comment from S. Weasel
Time: January 30, 2008, 3:20 pm

Well, Gibby, you can sit back and enjoy the spectacle of all of us chewing each other to pieces trying to answer that question in the next ten months.

For me…yes. Yes it is. It’s going to suck. It’s going to suck hard and it’s going to suck for four long years. But sometimes the Stupid Party needs some time in the wilderness to remember how to find its ass with both hands and a flashlight.

We had this same debate in 2006. Those of us on the far right got strong armed by moderates in our party to hold our noses and vote for some pretty squishy RINOs. Me, I voted for Lincoln Fucking Chafee for Senate, the squishiest RINO in Squishirinoville. I hated myself for it, he lost and he quit the Republican party immediately afterward.

AND we lost control of the House and Senate. THEN, just to show us they’d gotten the message, the Senate rechose Trent Fucking Lott (the second squishiest RINO in Squishirinoville) to lead them.

So, not again. Not for this little weasel. I understand it’s always a choice between evils, but how evil can the lesser of two evils be before you say no? I’m not looking for purity here, I swear…but if I vote McCain and he gets in, I’ll be angry and depressed about it. That’s too wrong for me.

Comment from Uncle Badger
Time: January 30, 2008, 4:00 pm

Knowing nothing whatsoever about US politics, I tend to stay out of these affairs – but I’ll break my silence just to say that the dilemma Weasel speaks of is precisely the same one we face here, in the UK.

And, similarly, we hear he same arguments – that we should swallow the urge to vomit and vote for a spoiled, posturing boy, David Cameron, so as to prevent Labour getting back into power and wreaking yet more havoc.

Well, I won’t. Conservatives in the UK have been had that way before (with Edward Heath, most notably) and this wingnut won’t get fooled again.

If the best you lot can come up with is Hilary Fucking Clinton and John Arsehole McMcain and the best our lot can manage is Gordon Snot-Eating Brown and David Slap My Face Cameron, then a pox on both our damned countries.

They say we get the politicians we deserve. If that’s true, God help us. More than ever, I’m minded not to vote, because I refuse to play the whore by endorsing what I actually despise.

Comment from porknbean
Time: January 30, 2008, 4:05 pm

So McCain may seem trecherous and some sort of Republican-Democrat hybrid to you guys, but here, you could bet your asses that he’d be super right wing.

Yeah, until he got elected and joins the ranks of the shiite while flipping you the bird. That is why we are so against him…he is the slippery slope slimey dem wannabe.

BUT, if McCain gets nominated, I will not sit out in protest. I will go to the polls in order to vote against Hillary. I truly despise that conniving manipulative bitch. I’m already angry and depressed thinking about the bastards.

Comment from porknbean
Time: January 30, 2008, 4:15 pm

They say we get the politicians we deserve.

I have done nothing to deserve such torment from said gasbags.

This is the problem…..

When the people find that they can vote themselves money, that will
herald the end of the republic.
— Benjamin Franklin

And the parasites don’t care so long as they can sit on their asses with their hands out knowing the kleptocrats will come through for them on our backs.

Comment from Dawn
Time: January 30, 2008, 4:18 pm

I took my seven year old bowling last night and you should have heard the rednecks giving it to Hillary. They were using terms like years of scandal and corruption. It would have made you proud to be an American.

Comment from Dawn
Time: January 30, 2008, 10:37 pm

OK, Where the heck is McGoo?

Comment from porknbean
Time: January 30, 2008, 10:45 pm

McGoo has some bidness to tend to. Said he would be away a week or thereabouts. Prolly speared him some goths and needs to bury the bodies.

Comment from Dawn
Time: January 30, 2008, 10:49 pm

Thanks PnB. Older gentlemen worry me, with their various ailments. I am glad he told someone where he was going.

Comment from porknbean
Time: January 30, 2008, 11:15 pm

Hmmm…hope his knob didn’t freeze up in the wicked 50 degree temperature drop yesterday. Dropped 40 of them in an hour and a half. Wind was something awful too.
Hope he isn’t traveling when the snow comes through tomorrow. (think he lives about 30 min. from me)

Comment from Mrs. Peel
Time: January 30, 2008, 11:53 pm

pre-emptively rule out rough interrogation techniques

Actually, Weas, his position is even worse than that. That position, while stupid, I could respect. What McCain wants to do is make such interrogation illegal BUT still have the option to use it (for example, in a ticking-bomb scenario). So basically, his position is, “I am going to sign a largely symbolic bill making this ‘torture’ illegal, but I still intend to use it if I really really really really have to.”

Ugh. Does he think Bush told the interrogators to waterboard the shit out of every prisoner at Gitmo? Hell no. They didn’t use that technique unless they absolutely had to. And under Bush, they had legal protection, as long as they were complying with the regulations governing the use of those techniques. Under McCain’s plan, they would be expected to still use those techniques “if necessary” but would be breaking the law.

Anyway, I still think the armed forces should consider using my mom in interrogation training.

Comment from Dawn
Time: January 31, 2008, 1:12 am

Weasel, would you do a photoshop of McCain with Hillary’s hair? Or better yet. Her with his. It’s shocking how much alike they look, never noticed until the tweedle dee and dum reference.

Comment from S. Weasel
Time: January 31, 2008, 5:27 am

Yes, Mrs P, if I understand him correctly, his position is even worse than THAT: he wants to make certain interrogation techniques illegal and then he wants interrogators to break the law if they think it’s necessary and go to jail for it. Hey, jail isn’t too high a price to pay to save thousands of lives, is it?

Whenever Congress tries to enumerate precisely what the military can or can’t do in the field, the only possible way to interpret that is that they don’t trust our guys to be competent and honorable.

For a candidate whose strength is his military record, that’s an odd position.

Comment from Lokki
Time: January 31, 2008, 12:10 pm

Gibby – right now it looks like America agrees with you and that we’re going to get a President McCain.
He’s got the numbers and the momentum.
I tend to believe that McCain has the most skeletons in his closet… and when Hillary gets done with him, he’s going to wish he was back in Vietnam. I personally believe that Hillary has a decent chance of beating him after she roasts him well enough.

However, she certainly doesn’t need to attack him now; she’ll wait till he’s the only choice and then destroy him.

Romney is a less magnetic figure I think, but he won’t have as many ‘secrets’ to reveal. The only thing that Hillary could beat him up about is being a Mormon. Personally, I like the Mormons. They may be nuts perhaps, but in general, they are pretty clean living and honest nuts.

I think that at the end of the day, Romney could beat Hillary by simply being less “dislikable” than she is. In the darkness of the voting booth, a lot of people would vote against the Evil Step-Presidentress for a clean-cut guy, no matter what they tell their friends.

McCain is just as dark and unfriendly as she is, so he doesn’t get that. He comes across as what Democrats THINK Republicans are like. He’s a dog-kicker, if you know what I mean

Comment from S. Weasel
Time: January 31, 2008, 1:55 pm

Dog kicker. Hee!

Comment from Princess Bernie
Time: January 31, 2008, 4:01 pm

I’ll hold my nose and vote for him if he’s the Republican choice. No way in hell I won’t vote and risk a Demonrat presidency.

Comment from S. Weasel
Time: January 31, 2008, 4:31 pm

I’m not risking a Democrat, Princess B. I’m preferring one.

If the next president is going to suck for four years, I don’t want him to be a Republican.

Comment from porknbean
Time: January 31, 2008, 4:45 pm

In the event there are a couple of more Supreme Court nominees, there is a chance McCain’s picks will be better than Stalin’s.
Isn’t one of them 87? You just know they are holding out until their dark master is annointed.

Comment from S. Weasel
Time: February 1, 2008, 7:40 am

Ugh. I grow weary of reading people (for example, VDH in the Corner just now) postulate that, come Summer, faced with a choice between McCain and Hillary, all us silly ol’ abstainers will come back in the fold.

I WILL NOT VOTE FOR JOHN MCCAIN. I’m as certain of that as I am of anything, because I made the decision eight years ago and have kept renewing the promise to myself ever since.

America is strong and can withstand a terrible president for four years. I would rather that terrible president be a Democrat.

I am but a single weasel with a single vote, but I’m not alone. Are there really more independents that prefer McCain than Republicans who will join me?

Comment from Lokki
Time: February 1, 2008, 12:12 pm

I’m an independent who will sit home rather than vote for McCain. I was paying taxes in the 80’s during the Savings and Loan scandal. I REMEMBER the bastard from THOSE days.


I also lost respect for John Glenn (as a politician).

It is a very good reminder that being a brave man is a good thing but it doesn’t mean anything except that you are brave.

Now I’m going to ask something that would get me attacked in many quarters:

Exactly how does being a prisoner of war prepare you to be a Chief Executive?

It’s like suggesting that being held captive in a dry cleaning shop prepares you to be a Fashion Designer.

Comment from Nita
Time: February 1, 2008, 12:29 pm

Got a good idea of what people think of McCain from the comments!

Comment from S. Weasel
Time: February 1, 2008, 5:11 pm

That’s really problematical, Lokki. Being a prisoner of war in that place for five years is such an extraordinarily awful thing that nobody wants to go anywhere NEAR there.

But that’s why the Left pick people like Cindy Sheehan or Max Cleland to speak for them. The last thing you want to do is argue with someone with something obvious and horrible in his biography. Especially when it’s something horrible he endured for your sake. Your instinct is to say, “Geez…take whatever you want. It’s the least I can do.” And, on another level, you feel even more grouchy and put-upon for having your manners leaned on like that and being blackmailed into a bad decision.

This is why we end up with So-and-So’s Law every time some poor kid gets run over by a drunk. Who’s going to say no to a grieving parent?

However, I didn’t realize until a day or so ago that McCain spent a total of 25 years in the Navy, I think it was. Which certainly doesn’t make him right about all things military, but it is a serious credential.

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