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The second day of the Doggerland conference was a little more accessible. The thing that struck me most was right at the beginning: it wasn’t just Doggerland. A very considerable amount of coastline all over the world was drowned by seas that rose for thousands of years. The amount of land lost during this period equals roughly the land mass of South America.

It’s all the black areas in the picture above (this image worked so much better in color).

This is significant because those coastal areas would have been the most hospitable to human habitation at the end of the last ice age. In other words, much of the archaeology of Late Paleolithic and Mesolithic cultures all over the world is perhaps still there, waiting to be found under the silt off the eastern coastlines of everywhere. Woo!

Have a good weekend, fellow Neanderthals!


Comment from Durnedyankee
Time: May 7, 2021, 7:24 pm

For students of history, Leonidis and his 300 held “the hot gates” against the Persians because it was the only way along the coast into Greece proper. Take a look to see how far Thermopylae is from the sea today.

Yes I suppose Crystal uplift and quakes and whatnot may be a factor, continental rebound after glacial withdawl is a thing, but it always sticks in my mind when the fear mongers talk about cities flooding.

Comment from Mark Matis
Time: May 7, 2021, 9:00 pm

What would be wrong with a lot of shitholes hives flooding???

Comment from Skandia Recluse
Time: May 7, 2021, 9:00 pm

Wait a minute. The sea level rose because the ice sheet was melting. Those lands in black are in the far north (or far south) and would have been underneath that ice cap and inaccessible anyway.

Comment from Anonymous
Time: May 8, 2021, 1:26 am

Stoaty — If the map’s black areas represent areas that are today underwater but didn’t use to be, what are the map’s white areas? Especially Montana and the Dakotas (more or less), Siberia between the Yenisei and Lena rivers, and especially especially the Antarctic coast?

Comment from Uncle Al
Time: May 8, 2021, 2:21 am

Name: (as if I cared)

Hmph. Amnesiac browser.
Above “Anonymous” comment was mine (assuming anybody cares).

Comment from gebrauchshund
Time: May 8, 2021, 7:26 am

Have any of you seen anything about the “Black Hammer” group aquiring 200 acres of land in Colorado for their “no white people allowed” self sustaining commune. At 10’000ft altitude, with 3 rivers and a lake, and “rich soil”. Which of course will be frozen hard as a rock and buried under several feet of snow for more than half the year.

Made me think of this:


Comment from durnedyankee
Time: May 8, 2021, 12:45 pm

@Gebrauchshund – they’re going to use the Black Hammers to break up the soil in the spring for planting, after they shovel the snow off it.
Because they’re probably all expert farming types.
Why, they’ll have the wealth of experience you can get from reading any collection of books and movies.

I’m planning on starting a space program next week after I finish reading Von Braun’s biography, I saved that one for last. My dream started when I watched Wallace and Gromit in “A Grand Day Out” and then read all about Goddard and rockets and Flash Gordon and Ming the Merciless.

That is, assuming I can get some backers, hint hint?

Comment from BJM
Time: May 9, 2021, 4:27 am

@Durned…Me thinks you may be wearing the wrong trousers.

Comment from Drew458
Time: May 9, 2021, 5:15 pm

Wallace and Grommit were the best. It was so sad when their claymation studio burned down just days after they were bought out by Pixar. It’s not the same with CGI, no matter how hard they try.

Al – they could be areas still under ice at that time. Except north Africa seems to be mostly the same color. A color picture would be more useful.

Eastern England news items: the new masked man of St. Albans, and “Man of Kent” vs “Kentishman”.

Comment from Some Vegetable
Time: May 9, 2021, 5:58 pm

gebrauchshund –

I thought you were joking or at least exaggerating ….but apparently not:

Hammer City is Black Hammer Organization’s latest project!

Building a city for all people of color to be free (no discrimination of nationality, gender, age, mental/physical differences, etc)
Jobs, housing, food, healthcare
No cops, no rent, no Coronavirus, and no white people”


In April 2021, Black Hammer org announced the purchase of the 200 acres of land for Hammer City Turtle Island. The land is 10,000 ft above sea level, with a great diversity of flora and fauna, has multiple rivers that irrigate it, and is more beautiful than anything we could have imagined!

To be blunt, there is a whole lot of fuzzy logic going on here….

White people may not be coming but Winter sure is.

The only way this makes any sense at all is if it generates enough upfront cash to pay a nice salary to the organizers until the whole thing collapses.


Comment from Deborah HH
Time: May 9, 2021, 7:10 pm

Wait until the property tax bill shows up in the mailbox. Two hundred acres of anything in Colorado must come with a hefty tax, and I bet they won’t pay it.

Comment from Mrs. Peel
Time: May 9, 2021, 11:21 pm

No discrimination, and also, no white people. Reminds me of seeing the flyer in college for the Hispanic students’ club, which was Hispanics only and also “diverse”. (Granted, “Hispanic” is like a third of the western hemisphere, but still.)

Comment from durnedyankee
Time: May 10, 2021, 12:01 am

hilarious that someone can without blinking publish something about no discrimination, followed by “no Irish whites need apply”.

All in all, really, sounds like a community destined to be either non-extant or full of people who mentally dress up in bedsheets and pillow cases, either way, a place no sane or decent people of any hue would want to be part of.

Nice city design, did they get that photo from a cheap Chinese knock off of Civilization?

Comment from durnedyankee
Time: May 10, 2021, 12:12 am

Wait, wait….they’re going to build a city, with free housing for everybody, and no police, for half a million dollars?
That’s their goal?

Will there be a spectator stands or will life in this paradise be televised? It would definitely sell.
And their average take per month working out to less than a middling fair C# programmer’s yearly salary so far?

Bwaaahahahahaha, smell that kids? That scent in the air, they must have a lot of male cattle up there grazing in the fields and meadows of Hammer City.

Comment from durnedyankee
Time: May 10, 2021, 12:33 am

oh my goodness.
Read their ‘Constitution’.

I think you’ve stumbled on some of the survivors of the crash of Golgafrincham Ark Fleet Ship B.

Comment from Jason
Time: May 10, 2021, 6:37 pm

Not to be a wet blanket but IIRC, we are all Golgafrinchan B shippers. It’s okay though the other two lots got what was coming to them anyhow.

Comment from Jason
Time: May 10, 2021, 6:40 pm

Also, didn’t idiot hippy wipepo try this during the flower power 60’s? Or was Easy Rider lying to me?
And for that matter didn’t the more communistic Kibbutzs auger into the ground or go corporate ASAP? Communism would be a great spectator sport if they would just stop trying to draft us onto the team.

Comment from durnedyankee
Time: May 10, 2021, 10:33 pm

Jason, true true – heh.

I wonder if that phone virus was Covid.

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