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They send the money they make/receive illegally back to the relatives in Mexico. Mexico is dependent on it. I’ve read different amounts, anywhere from 21 to 120 billion.

I declare, the Royal Navee should deploy the steam tugboat HMS Pinafore and tow the Old Blightey Isles to the other side of Denmark to protect against the swarthy sombreroed invadeurs.

Britannia for Britons (and loyal Normans, Picts, Woads, Druides and Welshmen) forever!
Long Lyveth Kyng Arthure!
Long Lyveth the House of Pendragon!

Why don’t we make a stink about it? Either the unspoken threat from the stinking disloyal Democrats of a race war, or the unspoken fear of the sissy coward pants-wetting Republicans that there will be a race war.

It’s unpleasant to contemplate, but racial solidarity is very much in evidence (and very much approved of) amongst the Democrat client voting blocs, and is absolutely forbidden, to the point of Federal task forces and prosecutions, for the ethnicity which founded this country and wrote the Constitution.

Think I’m wrong? What do you think would happen if someone tried to start a white students association at some publicly funded university? If anyone, in any city, tried to start a white counterpart to La Raza?

Yep. That’s the problem. The question is…what’s the solution? It’s obvious that the Mexicans seem intent on electing worse and worse governments(just like the rest of the world, it just seems to go faster in Latin America then in the European heavy countries)…so waiting for the Mexican electorate to wake up is like waiting for Godot. The only thing we can do more to really shore up our border is to basically make it a military controlled border. So yeah…what to do?

Edit: I should note that it seems to be Northern European nations that seem to do well, Southern Europeans are typically as pathetic as the Latin Americans.

If you really want to hear the “Human Rights Lobby” scream like ruptured Bann Sidh, make the serious suggestion that our policy towards illegal immigration on our southern border should match, point for point, Mexico’s policy towards illegal immigration on their southern border.

Redd is right, and the figure is on the high end of that range, and is about 5-6 times Mexico’s oil export income. Consider that pretty much all Western Union ads are in both Spanish and English, and all promote cut rate fees to send money to Mexico.

Add to that the profits on both sides of the border to both criminals and government officials [pardon the extreme redundancy] based on unguarded borders for transit an assortment of illicit substances.

Neither the Mexicans nor the Americans [both political parties] are willing to give up the profits.

Subotai Bahadur

It’s always corruption, in government, in finance, in business, in society. When you don’t get equal opportunity or you are the target of harassment, it’s time to move out.

Bankruptcy is a similar thing; behind every bankruptcy, somewhere there is fraud.

Which is why the United States is pretty well screwed; half the population has abandon ethics, morality, the legal system has been compromised, the ballot box is suspect, politicians have abandon national interest in favor of the political deal which benefits the politician.

What we need to do is take over Mexico, Flip it, and sell it for a profit.

It is always interesting to page back through history, determine which major power colonized a country, and then zip forward again to look at the resulting cultural outcome. The Brits were lazy, but therefore educated the locals to run the civil service so as to leave them time for gin and polo. Yes, India is a mess but imagine it without the British influence. When the Empire was pushed out, it left behind functioning bureaucracies. The French taught the natives to cook, and then unfortunately, taught them politics rather than government. Love that Vietnamese food, but don’t care for the country otherwise. The Spanish taught them cruelty and corruption. See most of Central and South America and note the Bahama’s exception. As for the Germans, I can think of nothing their colonies gained but deaths.

For America I suppose we must take accountability for the Philippines with their corruption, confused politics, and consumer fetishism (think shoes).

Finally considering Mexico, think of how far East Germany fell in just 50 years of Russian influence. It will take two generations to flush that out. Now try to imagine how many generations it would take to flush Mexico.

They changed that, Subotai Bahadur. A couple of years ago, they decriminalized illegal immigration in Mexico. It’s now a relatively small fine.

It’s hard not to think they did it to disarm anti-immigration talking points in the US.

I like it here (he said, stating the bleedin’ obvious.)

It’s almost reassuring to know that the problems our cousins are suffering are so uncannily mirrored in the UK.

The echo of the point made by Redd and Subotai Bahadur is that in Britain the Western Union offices are plastered with signs offering money transfers to Africa and the Indian sub-continent.

We, too, have a screeching minority which insists this is a Good Thing.

And then there is the EU dimension!

Her Stoatliness and I recently hired a builder to do some work on our roof. He told of a Polish labourer who was working for him last year, who, one day, brought him some papers which he needed help with.

“These are claims for child benefit,” said Mr Roofer. “And you’re not married!”

“I am,” said Stanislaw “But my wife is in Poland with our child. But I can still claim in the UK for ‘child support’ and send her the money. She used to work, but what I can claim here is far more than she can earn in Poland.”

And there is a screeching minority here that thinks that is a Good Thing, too.

Will someone tip me off when Atlas gets ready to shrug, please? I want to help.

There are those that argue the immigration is a long range plan to make the American southwest part of Mexico again. Weather it is

I can’t remember if it was Mexico President Vicente Fox or Felipe Calderon who expressed (furious) shock and dismay that the US would seriously attempt to close off the border to Mexico. He practically called it a human rights violation.

I’m with Scubafreak. For a couple of years I’ve thought that the best way to solve the immigration problem was to finish the job we started in ’46. I figure it would be a decent annual training exercise for a few of the National Guard units. Plus we could use the confusion to actually fight a war on drugs (put a few “malfunctioning” JDAMs into the living rooms of some kingpins and the attractiveness of the drug trade will decrease). Plus, they’ve got oil, which we can sell to finance the operation, and we’ll be able to rename the northwest extension of the Caribbean the Gulf of America.

They send the money they make/receive illegally back to the relatives in Mexico. Mexico is dependent on it. I’ve read different amounts, anywhere from 21 to 120 billion.

I’ve heard 50b. No way to really check that number, though, it all being (winkwink) illegal. & the gummint down there gets to be rid of a bunch of people who don’t mind breaking a few laws, so it’s a win-win, yeah.

I live about 20 miles from the border, as the crow flies. We get lots of agricultural workers. One Wednesday during the winter (our lettuce growing season), I went into Wells Fargo for some kind of simple transaction. There were at least 10 workers ahead of me. Yes, I know, not just because they all were speaking Spanish. Anyway, after quite a long wait, I finally got to the teller. I mentioned the crowd and she said Wednesday was their payday and they all came to send money transfers to Mexico. I learned never to go back on a Wednesday. So it isn’t just Western Union.

Mexico has always been a crap hole and it seems it never will be anything else. It seems like a lot of parts of the world are like that, they just never get better and have always been awful, like Russia and most of Africa.

Why doesn’the U.S. government close the border?

Because it would cost a lot of money.

Because influential businesses rely on illegal alien labor.

Because liberals are mushy-headed about immigration.

Because of Ellis Island nostalgia.

Because Jews are mushy-headed about immigration.

Because Democrats know that immigration demographically favors them.

Because libertarians have wooly ideas about open borders.

Because professional “hispanic leaders” want more clients.

Because Republicans are subverted by business lobbyists and intimidated by the left media threat of “Raacism!”

Rostroms
Ima let you finish
But when it comes
To Thinking
You seem to experience
All sorts of Bad Luck

Uncle Sucker loves him some moneyspending
Influential Businesses such as strawberry and lettuce lobby
Liberals and Jews (but I repeat meself) have no musheadedness when it comes to inmigration to the Democratic State of Israel.
Shalom be Upon Our Greatest Ally.
Her fixed borders and her sacred constitution.
Ellis Island… so close from Arizona. Abuts Tijuana.
Libertarians… all .03% of them, an important bellwether bloc.
Republicans. On the puppetsock, they occupy the part where the middle finger goes. Some opposition! But give them money and votes and all will turn out just fine.

Closing the border? We do! We seal it within gated community. It is just not American community. You could see some Mediterranean Sea from there.

I’ll award a consolation point for diagnosing professional mongers with drumming up their filthy racket.
Your score now stands at exactly One Point.

Rich, it’s simpler than that. No great conspiracy, though there are schemes, plots, and alliances who conspire. The United States has lax immigration policy because most Americans are soft hearted, naive, gullible and easily scammed. Too many just can’t say ‘no’.

Meanwhile, down south, Guatemalan immigrants to Mexico are welcomed with open arms and a FREE PUPPY!

Like hell they are.

“They changed that, Subotai Bahadur. A couple of years ago, they decriminalized illegal immigration in Mexico. It’s now a relatively small fine.”

Yes, well…that’s the LAW (aka, the THEORETICAL), anyway.

Per any number of recent reports I’ve read elsewhere, it seems apparent that some folks – including some/most/maybe-even-all of the Messican Border Patrol, down along that border with the Central Americas anyway – didn’t ‘zactly get the memo, sorta, kinda…

Guatemalan, whatever – based on available commentary, no matter where they’re coming from nor how “transient” their intent, anybody coming into Mexico from the south, by land or by water, had better have lots of ready baksheesh or some fairly hefty weaponry, or they may very well get shucked of everything except the clothes on their backs, or maybe even down to their underdrawers.

It appears that possibly said transients are not getting killed or kidnapped for possible ransom so often these days, and the rate of rape and robbery may have backed off a few points – but that “decriminalization” and “relatively small fine” business doesn’t seem to have had any useful effects in that area. Hey, it’s apparently, often enough, the alleged law-“enforcement” people doin’ the rapin’ and robbin’ !

“It’s hard not to think they did it to disarm anti-immigration talking points in the US.”

Maybe yes, maybe no – whether that was the intent or not, though, it doesn’t seem to be very useful in that respect.

“Mexico is a big, beautiful country stuffed with natural resources. Miles of coastline, tons of oil. It’s like the world’s fourteenth largest economy…”

Yep, it’s all of that and more – except NOT for the ordinary, every-day, small-town, non-politically-connected Mexicans – of which there are a whole huge bunch, most of whom are dirt-poor most of the time. Unless they’re up here somewhere, working at wages that are pretty punk by most U.S. citizens’ standards, but that, if they work hard and long, are enough to make a Mexican pretty well-off, by Mexican peon standards.

Look, it’s quite obvious that, a long time back (now into second- and third-generation-long ago, at least), the people who actually own and operate Mexico (most of whom are extensively disinterested in whether ordinary peones live or die, really) figured out that they could a) pump the U.S. economy, at a certain level, like milking a herd of cattle, b) using their own, homegrown cattle herd to do it – all they needed to do, really, was to do all they could to encourage and enable what was already an established occurrence. Simple as 1-2-3: 1) Push as many grindingly-poor, desperate, willing-to-work-like-a-dog people across the U.S. border as possible; 2) Make sure the “remittance transmittals” industry ramped up to meet the increased demand from all those hard workers; 3) Sit back, and watch the money roll into the country.

For the Mexican Gubmint, it’s been two big birds collected using one ever-renewable rolling stone – get rid of a whole bunch of po’folks – at least for awhile – who’re otherwise just cloggin’ up the countryside, AND greatly augment a positive cash-flow INTO the Mexican overall economy. Who needs to make oil flow, if you can – using a whole lot less effort and at a whole lot lower cost up-front – make people flow instead?

And the primary reason, BTW, why the influx of “undocumented” labor has apparently slowed to net-zero or nearly so in recent days – is because OUR economy (thanks in large part to the efforts of our “brilliant” current POTUS and his Merry Henchfolks in Congress) has been so far in the dumper for the last several years, only now beginning to show some useful signs of recovery (a situation aforesaid POTUS and Henchfolks are striving mightily to “correct” into a longer and deeper dive into that dumper). Yep, that’s right, folks – we’ve actually seen a lot of those “undocumenteds” deporting themselves back home, ’cause they haven’t been able to find so much of that good, steady, beneath-minimum-wage employment as they had become accustomed to getting. When you can’t make enough to even support yourself – much less send money home – you might as well GO home yourself and try to grow some beans ‘n corn to survive on, right?

Not to worry – there are always more replacements coming North – and, as said, there’s more hiring going on, just now…

(Sorry to write a whole book, here – but this particular overall issue just purely pisses the Hell out of me, because the solution is so obvious – and so obviously “politically impossible”, given the crop of doofusses we presently have running what passes for a Gubmint. Also, there’s so much WRONG presently in this whole thing, you could easily fill several thick volumes with the rampant insanity involved.)