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Can someone explain to me why Obama’s power grab is not a huge loss for immigrant activists?

■ it potentially applies to only five of the ten to twenty million total illegals.

■ it requires a lot of paperwork. Don’t discount this one. As someone who’s been through the immigration mill, lemme tell you the time, money and angst involved in pleasing a bureaucrat is terrifying.

■ coming out of the shadows requires coming out of the shadows — identifying yourself, giving your location and confessing to lawbreaking. Maybe confessing lawbreaking on behalf of associates and employers, as well.

■ the deal is only as good as long as Obama’s in office. I can’t imagine any Republican president would be so delightfully cruel as to deport they asses after they come clean, but that doesn’t mean the terms of the deal will stay the terms of the deal. With the backlogs that are sure to happen (good luck getting extra money out of Congress to add capacity), it’s likely the typical applicant won’t make it through the whole process before O and his travelling circus of executive orders is long gone. Who buys a pig in a poke?

and the big one…

■ delivering a giant Fuck You to the Republican base in their moment of triumph kills any chance of serious GOP cooperation over anything in the next two years — but especially on immigration. Boehner and our RINO betters would love to have given O the kind of comprehensive immigration suppository he supposedly craves, but that’s out of the question now. If they pass anything at all, it’ll have to look a whole helluva lot tougher than what might’ve passed before.

In fact, the whole thing is such an enormous shitburger for the left, I have to wonder — for the umpteenth time with this guy — is he truly this incompetent, or is there some diabolical hidden lefty advantage I’m not seeing?


Comment from ed
Time: November 24, 2014, 9:59 pm

Incompetence +400

Comment from Veeshir
Time: November 24, 2014, 10:55 pm

Balkanization is the point.
Divide and rule is his governing philosophy.

Comment from Subotai Bahadur
Time: November 24, 2014, 10:57 pm

There seems to be an assumption here, that Obama’s declaration of the power to rule by decree on Amnesty is going to be the only time it is used. Having gutted Article I, Section 8 of the Constitution; there is no obvious reason for him not to claim the right to rule by decree in other matters, since there is no opposition by the Institutional Republicans who precipitously fled DC rather than react substantively.

In the highly theoretical case where there ever is a non-Democrat president; yes the precedent would allow that president the same wide powers. And the Left would be furious. But we have not run out the clock on Obama’s term. This will NOT be the only unconstitutional seizure of power by him. I am betting that he has developed a taste for it and regrets not doing it sooner.

Just in passing Americans have, since the ratification of the Constitution, equated governmental legitimacy with the concept of the consent of the governed to a limited government operating under the Constitution. If the government abandons the Constitution in all but name, what duty do the people have to submit to that government? And what means are they allowed to use if they decide not to submit to that government?

The Left may or may not recognize the irrevocable nature of what they are doing.

But let us ponder the practical effects of the Decree of Amnesty. There are some real world consequences.

First of all, based on the actual history of the illegal immigration problem; not one of the “requirements” for the amnesty will be enforced. None.

Second, despite the mention of barring and/or removing criminals; the day after the Decree the Department of Homeland Security announced that sex crimes, drug crimes, vehicular crimes, and other felonies will NOT be grounds for deportation. Illegal invaders have an automatic get-out-of-jail-free card now, and for the foreseeable future. Which means self-defense is going to come to the fore since the law will be deliberately silent.

Third, there is as we write another wave of hundreds of thousands of illegal invaders coming to the unguarded border; not only from Mexico and Central America, but also now from Haiti and Africa. They are drawn by the long expected [and heavily publicized for months down there by the US government] Decree. There will be no holding them back short of deadly force, even if the Federales had any desire to.

Fourth, while in theory there will be no health benefits, every one of the foreign invaders will get free care, paid for by us, at ER’s at will. And the newly issued paperwork WILL be used, legally or otherwise, to sign them up for all benefits in Democrat controlled polities.

In passing, the claim that they have to have been here 5 years is interesting. What proof are they going to present? Their receipts for the money they sent back to Mexico by Western Union? Or the income that they have to pay taxes on? You know that the IRS is not going to stop attacking conservatives long enough to check out any claim of no income by an invader.

I can’t imagine any Republican president would be so delightfully cruel as to deport they asses after they come clean, but that doesn’t mean the terms of the deal will stay the terms of the deal.

The Republican “leadership” literally fled DC as fast as they could after the Decree while admitting that they had no idea how to oppose it. They knew for over a year that he was threatening this, more urgently since the election. They did no planning for that contingency.

They have a very short period of time, perhaps not longer than a couple of weeks after the new Congress convenes in January, to dig in their heels and really fight, or there will not be a Republican party to run a presidential candidate in any putative 2016 election.

Comment from Skandia Recluse
Time: November 25, 2014, 12:21 am

Obama wants the turmoil.
Anything else he gets is just frosting on the cake.

Comment from dissent555
Time: November 25, 2014, 12:45 am

Pfft! For Lord Barry the Inhaler it’s all about the (middle) finger.

Now pass around the choom again, ingrates.

Comment from QuasiModo
Time: November 25, 2014, 1:05 am

North Dakota names Landfill After Obama: http://tinyurl.com/ptw5ua3

The Barak Obama Memorial Landfill…

Comment from The Neon Madman
Time: November 25, 2014, 2:40 am


Following from your thought, imagine what he might do if there were to be (God forbid) another mass shooting somewhere……

Congress won’t do (blah, blah, blah)…. Common sense ((blah, blah)…

Comment from Stark Dickflüssig
Time: November 25, 2014, 3:20 am

Maybe we could name something short, useless, & limp after Obama.

Comment from Doubting Rich
Time: November 25, 2014, 10:47 am

He really is that incompetent.

Just look at what we know of his history: first off, that is almost nothing. Second he has achieved rapid rise in the fields he chose to work in. Third he achieved nothing in any of those fields that we know of. Literally nothing, even in the most powerful office in the world, POTUS, where his signature achievement could have been made by a rubber stamp. Back to the first point you can bet that had he achieved anything we would know about it, and it would have been repeated ad nauseum to fill the desire of his acolytes to boast about him.

The only explanation is, to paraphrase Conrad, inability in the abstract; he is not incompetent in any one thing, but has a general incompetence.

Comment from AltBBrown
Time: November 25, 2014, 1:44 pm

From the Rush:
“Obama is gonna start building his legacy, and the legacy is gonna be only the last two years of the Regime, not whatever came before, ’cause that’s a disaster. And, then after that legacy is built, it’s gonna be phony baloney, plastic banana, good-time rock ‘n’ roll, but it’s gonna be a legacy. It’s gonna be fabricated, made up, and the media is going to do everything they can to write it, defend it, protect it, and prolong it.”

Comment from Mr. Dave
Time: November 25, 2014, 2:42 pm

Hmmm, the answer seems to be right there in the second paragraph of the Declaration. “…that whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive to these Ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its Foundation on such Principles, and organizing its Powers in such Form, as to them shall seem most likely to Effect their Safety and Happiness.”

Comment from Wolfus Aurelius
Time: November 25, 2014, 2:58 pm

It’s incompetent and diabolical. When his incompetence becomes so manifest that even your basic leftard can’t help but see it, the Powers Who Want to Be Your Boss will say, “Well! Clearly this government is too big to be run by one man, even a former Harvard professor [sic]. We’ll have to go to rule by committee.”

For “committee,” read “dictatorship, with dictator pretending to take advice from said Committee, but in practice doing whatever he pleases.” Or, “dictator pretending to rule in the name of the People, but in practice rubber-stamping whatever the Committee wants.”

Comment from Deborah HH
Time: November 25, 2014, 3:54 pm

I was watching television last night when Obama said, “First and foremost, we are a nation built on the rule of law.” He does love to poke his finger in the American eye, doesn’t he.

Comment from Some Vegetable
Time: November 25, 2014, 7:08 pm

So, the immigration action is largely a stunt? I didn’t know that, and am some relieved to hear it, but would be more relieved if everyone in South America knew it too. I don’t think they do. I expect (seriously) a couple of million of them to flood the border before the next presidential election.

I AM aware that the Co2 limits he set with China are meaningless or worse. The Chinese are free to continue to build coal power plants et al until 2030, increasing emissions until that date. The U.S. is the only one with concrete goals between now and then. I don’t believe that CO2 emissions are a problem for the planet, so the earth won’t be harmed by this fraud allowing China to increase them ,but I do believe that the U.S. Economy will be harmed by trying to reduce them.

I really don’t understand exactly what he is doing, although I did see that Hillary has signed on to praising his immigration plan. I guess the hope is that the Hispanic vote will increase enough to replace the Black vote as the balance-tipper (if added to the War on Wymen group of young White Wymen), and of course, the naievely Green vote.

Comment from Lipstick
Time: November 26, 2014, 2:53 pm

I think he is betting that the Republicans will not have the ‘nads to de-legalize those millions. We can’t even get them to commit to throwing out the ones that are here without “papers”. They will be afraid of losing the Hispanic vote that they never, ever will get.

Except President Cruz, with the support of Vice-President Gowdy (or better yet, Attorney General Gowdy.

Comment from ed
Time: November 27, 2014, 11:52 am

IMO it almost doesn’t matter what Obama does at this point. It is inevitable that he is going to go off the rails completely. For one thing he has never taken advice from anyone so his notions of his own grandeur will become inescapable. A cage of sorts where each successive act is seen as successful until it all falls down. The parable of the king with no clothes on is an example that comes readily to mind.

Another is that the American people are going to find out very very quickly just what this amnesty is going to mean for them personally. And there isn’t really any way of backloading the bad parts like in Obamacare where the nice stuff happens first and the nasty medicine comes after.

This is because employers have at the very least a $3,000 per year incentive to fire American workers and hire illegals. Since illegals are not eligible for Obamacare I don’t believe they count towards the 50 employee limit for requiring health coverage either. So if you fire all but 49 of your legal American workers and then replace the rest with illegals you can get a completely free pass from Obamacare.


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