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Stretchy cat

Okay, okay…I confess. I’m using engineer’s grid paper. Do you know how much of this stuff I have? Do you know how good it doesn’t work here?

Standard American paper pads – of which I have oodles – are 8.5″ by 11″. European equivalent is 8.3″ by 11.7″. It doesn’t fit in filing cabinets.

But wait, there’s more! We do 3 and 6 hole punched. They do 2 and 4.

I’m a serious stationery hound and all my beautiful ‘Murrican notebooks and hole punches are useless.


Comment from Mark Matis
Time: October 23, 2020, 8:53 pm

Wild weasel:


Comment from Uncle Al
Time: October 24, 2020, 12:50 pm

Sounds like you need a Procrustean Paper Cutter and a printers’ drill jig.

I wonder which came first, the U.S. 8½”×11″ letter size or the European 210mm×297mm A4 size?


OK, I looked it up. The European/ISO standard’s origin is the 1922 German DIN (“Deutsches Institut für Normung”) standard. As for the Americas’ standard, Wikipedia says

The origins of the exact dimensions of Letter size paper are lost in tradition and not well documented.

I suspect “lost in tradition” means “some time much earlier than 1922”.

Sorry. I may be the only one interested in this stuff.

Comment from ExpressoBold
Time: October 24, 2020, 2:30 pm

Orange Is The New… Tuxedo?


Comment from Deborah HH
Time: October 24, 2020, 3:16 pm

Oh Stoaty, I love paper, too. From the time I was a little girl and got my hands on a tablet of air-mail letter paper 🙂 And pens! Just bought a 5-pack of Uni-Ball Jetstream retractable gel rollerball pens (whew) with 0.38mm conical tip. Great for lettering.

Comment from S. Weasel
Time: October 24, 2020, 4:35 pm

Oh, Uncle Al, you are not the only one interested. When I was doing magazine layout, that’s the first time I ran up against the nuances of international stationery differences. I probably have a whole rant in me about traditional measurements.

Deborah, the one who dies on the biggest pile of blank notebooks wins.

Mark, you will not be astonished to learn wild weasels are subject to seizures. They’re wrapped just a little too tight.

And finally — thank you too much for the kitty porn, ExpressoBold. That will go on the caturday playlist.

Comment from Some Vegetable
Time: October 24, 2020, 6:02 pm

It is great that ya’all are interested in this arcana – it emboldens me to ask something that occurred to me after hearing about the differences between U.S. spec graph paper versus E.U. graph paper:

It would seem obvious that the grid squares on E.U. grid paper would be X millimeters by X millimeters. However what about the grid squares on U.S. graph paper? Are they measured in fractions of an inch or in millimeters?

Great photo of that cat by the way, you can really see his markings!

Comment from Uncle Al
Time: October 24, 2020, 7:11 pm

@Some Vegetable — Normal U.S. quadrille paper is ¼”×¼” squares but there’s also engineering graph paper with 1″ bold line large squares with 1/10″ fine line little squares within.

Comment from Uncle Al
Time: October 24, 2020, 7:19 pm

Addendum: It looks like the most common A4 graph paper has 5mm×5mm squares.

Comment from durnedyankee
Time: October 25, 2020, 10:51 am

By all means, the GERMAN standards should be used.

Yes indeed.

And “lost in tradition and not well documented” now will almost certainly translate to.

“It’s not on the internet, I’d have to read a book and do research like they did in the olden days so I’m adding ‘lost in tradition (whatever the flock that means) and not well documented. But we can pretty much guarantee it’s very well documented since a copyright would have been applied for and held for many years by the people who first started printing the graph paper, or created the paper for…get this…OMG…typing on typewriters.”

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