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@QuasiModo: “I know how he feels 🙂”

Amen. I used to be up through 1:00 a.m. Heck, during heavy design/coding projects I’d pull all-nighters with relative ease! These days if I’m not horizontal by 10:30 p.m. I get grouchy. I guess that comes from being born in 1949.

@Uncle Al
They don’t do that any more.
Now they go to Github, grab some hunks of questionable code written by unknown people that sort of does mostly kinda what they want (except for these bits that don’t look like they do anything but actually let the guys in Moldova access your user list…), then they have a scrum to figure out which pieces they can turn over to an AI to re-write, fix, or enhance to do mostly kinda what they want except for these key features that don’t quite work yet but will be in the next sprint because turning out good solid code is less important than making the arbitrary release date as long as they’re using all the currently approved buzzwords and practices!

Just like the good old days! Only with crappier bug and exploit riddled code getting into production faster!

@Durnedyankee — I’m awfully glad I’m retired now. Watching what you describe would make me weep.

I’m even older than you Uncle Al. I wrote my first program in 1963. I signed up for an evening class in programming at the local college. When I mentioned to our computer manager that I was taking a course in Algol, he said “You’re wasting your time, we only use Fortran here”; so that was that. I did learn Fortran some years later when I worked for an organisation that did use it. I found that commercial software was far superior to anything I could produce and confined myself to writing programs to prepare raw data for input or for presenting output data.

@Uncke Al
Yeah, if you liked fast elegant code that dealt with data structures that used the bare minimum of storage and memory you’d be an unhappy man.
Two of my three boys give me the updates of what happened after object Oriented and Agile and using AI to write or fix code while using repositories of code that other people from God Knows Where wrote.
And then being shocked to find not everyone who writes code and hands it out for free is your friend.

As a business model I don’t see how you write things innovatively and unique that use someone else’s code as a foundation…
But I had one OOP kid tell me watching me code, debug, QA and go to production was like watching a caveman chip out flint arrowheads by a stream.

I was never rude enough to point out our group didn’t get complaints and failures. One customer described it as an armored pig that burrowed in and couldn’t be killed.