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Okay, this is just dumb

Why are we even talking about what’s in Feinstein’s stupid bill? She doesn’t have the votes to get it out of the Senate alive. Not a hope in hell to get it through Congress. Everybody’s just flapping gums.

So, what’s going on here? I can think of a couple of good political reasons to promote a pointlessly doomed bill.

One, if it really were very popular with the electorate. If We the Pooples really wanted this thing and the legislature shot it down, she could score some points headed toward the mid-Term. But we don’t. Every single article about gun control these days calls it the “powerful gun lobby” — that’s another way of saying “popular gun lobby.” And everybody knows it.

Two, she hopes to bring it to a vote so the vulnerable Democrats from gun-loving states can score points by voting it down. But, damn, that’s a dangerous game — remind everyone that the Democrat Party is the party of thur commin’ fur ar guns.

I’ve got a feeling, none of the above. It’s just political puppet theater, like a grinning Nancy Pelosi strolling through an enraged crowd with a giant clown-hammer after passing Obamacare. It’s like they hate Red State America so much, they can’t help giving us the middle finger every chance they get. Even if it costs them dearly.

So, an assist for the good guys, I guess. Thanks, Dianne. Roll on, 2014!

Comments


Comment from mojo
Time: January 24, 2013, 9:57 pm

Well, you’ll be glad to hear that the DC Police “gave her permission” to display (or, as I like to say, “brandish”) her unlawful-in-DC evil kill machines.

Which, I didn’t know they could do that. So, Cheif, where do I get my permission slip to go knock over the local liquor store? Down the hall someplace, maybe in “Grants and Permissions, Criminal Acts” or something like that.

Silly me, I thought only a competent court of law could grant those type of exceptions.

Or did somebody pass a “Gregory Scot-Free Bill” while I wasn’t looking?


Comment from Stephen Falken
Time: January 24, 2013, 10:02 pm

Democrats have learned that if they complain loud and long enough people will eventually get annoyed and say, “Enough already, something needs to be done to make them shut up!”


Comment from Mitchell TAFKAEY
Time: January 24, 2013, 10:28 pm

Yeah, I’ve been trying to figure out the political upside on this. For a political party so blatantly and openly hostile to the idea of an armed populace they sure have been successful at driving people to arm themselves. They can’t possibly be blind to the heavy surge in gun & ammo sales the last few years and particularly recently. Therefore this result must be one they want. Why? I can only think that they want this to stir up paranoia (well, it’s not paranoia if they really ARE coming to get you) and provoke some sort of attack from a bunch of “wacko right-wing nazi gunnutters” either singly or in a group. They will then use this as their pretext to launch the only war a dimocrap would ever support: a war on the American people.


Comment from Skandia Recluse
Time: January 24, 2013, 10:29 pm

RE: It won’t pass.

I hope that is correct. I fear it is not. Most of us conservatives didn’t believe Obamacare would pass, nor would it survive the supreme court.

All those townhall meetings with congressional democrats, painted as tea party republicans were really disgruntled democrats.

Obama has some kind of control over those democrats that they can’t resist. The house republicans won’t stop the democrat/media Juggernaut, and the conservative voice has been marginalized.

These next fours years really frighten me. It looks too much like world history class way back in high school.


Comment from Subotai Bahadur
Time: January 24, 2013, 11:38 pm

Sweas, you have been out of the country for some time. Despite all the histrionics about how “Blue Dog” Democrats from states where the Constitution still means something are torn; there is no question.

ANY Democrat will vote for anything their leadership directs, even if it means electoral suicide. Look at the votes for Obamacare. Not one Republican vote. A number of votes from Democrats in areas where afterwards they were no longer able to show their faces in public without being openly reviled. Those Democrats are no longer in politics.

I find it disturbing that with this bit of cause and effect in front of them, apparently they are willing to do it again. It is as if they know something about the official 2014/2016 election results already. Which in these interesting times cannot be discounted out of hand.

Then there is the matter of the Republican “opposition” that has caved at every turn for years. Since the 2012 election, the Republican Speaker of the House has not only caved, he and his personal coterie have voted with the Democrats against the majority of the Republicans in Congress [themselves a less than stalwart group, usually describable as goolie-less and gormless]. Resistance by them to anything the Left wants is more than can be counted on, or sometimes just hoped for.

Then there are the courts. The Supreme Court Obamacare decision is admitted to have turned on Chief Justice Roberts reversing his vote at the very last minute. In fact, what became the dissent in the case was written by Roberts. In his new “majority” decision; he openly declared that the Mandate was in violation of the Constitution, BUT that since it could be considered also a tax, the violation was acceptable. That does no give much encouragement to the idea that the Court’s will stand with the Constitution.

Things are more than tense. One is hard pressed to buy ammunition or reloading components today. I know. I tried a few hours ago, and got only partial success in components because they are sold out all over the county. Got some of the ammunition I feel I lack.

In a few days, our County Sheriff [In the West, the Sheriff is an elected official of some import, the supreme law enforcement authority in the county, and not subservient to the state executive branch.] will be having a public meeting I will be attending. The subject will be the defense of the 2nd Amendment. It is noteworthy that Sheriff and his department are Oathkeepers [ see http://oathkeepers.org/oath/ ] with the knowledge and approval of our County Commission.

Subotai Bahadur


Comment from S. Weasel
Time: January 24, 2013, 11:52 pm

But the reason you can’t buy ammo is that people are stockpiling it like crazy. That isn’t exactly putting gun ownership at risk.

Even Feinstein’s cockeyed bill grandfathers in existing weapons. Meaning, if it passed, it would be a rigid enforcement of the status quo.

I started buying guns during the last Assault Weapons Ban. It really pissed off gun owners, increased the value of their existing guns and gave them an issue to bond over. Beyond that, it didn’t seem to do much.

They will never, EVER come for the guns. Twenty, thirty years ago it might have been conceivable, but not now. There’s been too much stockpiling, and too many people would resist. If even a half of a percent of gun owners resisted violently, it would be a bloodbath.


Comment from Subotai Bahadur
Time: January 25, 2013, 12:18 am

Comment from S. Weasel
Time: January 24, 2013, 11:52 pm

But the reason you can’t buy ammo is that people are stockpiling it like crazy. That isn’t exactly putting gun ownership at risk.

Even Feinstein’s cockeyed bill grandfathers in existing weapons. Meaning, if it passed, it would be a rigid enforcement of the status quo.

The reason people are stockpiling, is that with a government not restrained by law or Constitution, seizure IS a very likely possibility, or at least the attempt.

The Feinstein bill also includes mandatory registration of all “grandfathered” firearms and magazines, with failure to register being a felony, and the registration list itself a roadmap for the inevitable future confiscation.

I cannot think of a Leftist arms registration scheme that did not end in disarming the citizenry; although the incompetently run Canadian register may be one. But not out of lack of intent. I seem to remember that they registered firearms in Britain first, then required that they be turned in. And the level of firearms crime has somehow doubled since the law-abiding were disarmed.

If they do try, hopefully, it will be a bloodbath. The alternative will be a GULAG.

Subotai Bahadur


Comment from S. Weasel
Time: January 25, 2013, 12:29 am

Well, I’m not saying you’re wrong. I’m saying if it happened, it would be one of history’s great turning points. They do happen, after all.


Comment from kilroy182
Time: January 25, 2013, 2:23 am

It’s true that this thing doesn’t have the proverbial snow ball’s chance in hell of passing, but it almost seems as though the lib/progs want to make it look like they are going to fulfill as many conspiracy theories as possible in the hopes of making some fringer out there ‘snap’ in a big way.


Comment from Uncle Al
Time: January 25, 2013, 3:04 am

I expect the following to happen. First, that Czarina Feinstein’s bill will not get through the Senate (but that’s not certain). Second, an alternative bill will get through because it will contain fewer 2nd Amendment infringements. (Note, please, that any infringements are too many.) This moronic argument will prevail: Look! Look! See how bad it might have been?!? This is a VICTORY!

In short, I’m assuming something very close to the old expired AWB to come back.

If I’m wrong and some form of registration is enacted and transfers are made illegal, then things will get ugly fast. Many current owners will refuse to register and many of those own weapons that are completely paper-free. There have been hundreds of thousands of private cash sales – no checks or credit cards – over the past two months and in most states those require no govt paperwork and so are (incidentally) completely legal.

S.Weasel, you’re quite right in observing that it would take a quite small percentage of violent resisters to make a real bloodbath. I’ve mixed feelings about that. First I would greatly prefer to avoid the inevitable savaging of innocents. Second, if we get to the point where the govt actually does attempt to disarm otherwise law-abiding and peaceful citizens then those govt functionaries carrying out the orders of those govt legislators and executives simply do deserve to be decisively stopped, preferably with lethal force. In current terminology, that would send the correct message.


Comment from Uncle Al
Time: January 25, 2013, 3:11 am

One more point.
The anti-gun nuts call them “assault rifles.”
The pro-gun types call them “sporting rifles.”
The LEOs/military call them “patrol rifles.”
Soon we may be calling them “regime change rifles.”


Comment from Scubafreak
Time: January 25, 2013, 4:28 am

I think it’s time to start stocking up on reloading supplies and dies….


Comment from Deborah
Time: January 25, 2013, 5:07 am

And gun safes, except they are sold out too.


Comment from MIke C.
Time: January 25, 2013, 7:31 am

“I think it’s time to start stocking up on reloading supplies and dies….”

Boy, you are way too late for that. Primers seem to be in the shortest supply.

It’s to the point where the idea of going to the range is losing it’s appeal, since replacing any ammunition expended will be nigh on impossible. What looked like a reasonable supply 3 months ago now looks pitiful.

I did learn from DiFi’s list that a Ruger Mini 14 (or at least the Tacti-Cool model) is actually an “AR style” rifle. Silly me – I thought it was a Garand style rifle. I guess if you put the right “furniture” on Gramps’ old Fox double-barreled shotgun, it would magically become “AR style.”


Comment from S. Weasel
Time: January 25, 2013, 12:27 pm

Well, it is all about the dongles and gew-gaws hanging off your blunderbuss. It ain’t about the firepower, anyway.


Comment from Andy
Time: January 25, 2013, 1:05 pm

>> Well, it is all about the dongles and gew-gaws hanging off your blunderbuss.

Hey, quit hacking my webcam!


Comment from MikeW
Time: January 25, 2013, 3:24 pm

Why are we even talking about what’s in Feinstein’s stupid bill?… Not a hope in hell to get it through Congress. Everybody’s just flapping gums.

Yet another argument for stronger Gum Control Legislation.


Comment from mojo
Time: January 25, 2013, 3:44 pm

I mean, really. It’s not like it’s hard to understand. The 2nd merely acknowledges a pre-existing right to own, keep and use firearms, and forbids Congress from infringing on that right. No, not “just a tad”, NONE.


Comment from Dan
Time: January 25, 2013, 4:51 pm

RE: reloading equipment, from Dillon Precision

“Due to overwhelming demand for all Dillon reloading equipment, please expect orders for reloading machines and equipment to take an estimated 6 to 8 weeks to ship.”


Comment from Christopher Taylor
Time: January 25, 2013, 5:39 pm

They h ave a whole list of things they’re going to implement by the end of this administration, or at latest the next term of whatever Democrat is… elected…. Reparations, gay marriage, maximum wage, living wage, vote by internet, legalized pot, banning home schooling, treaty of the sea, obedience to UN human rights rules, cap and trade, I expect to see all of their ancient, awful laundry list checked off.

Fundamentally transform America. He wasn’t kidding.


Comment from Some Vegetable
Time: January 25, 2013, 7:28 pm

Chris – the one that mystifies me is the announcement of putting women into combat roles…. ok; Women are equal under the law -I get that. However men and women are apples and oranges and not all recipes are improved by adding more oranges to the mix.

Women are not physically equvalent to men, and are, generally speaking physically ‘higher maintenance’ in field conditions. Unless there is a shortage of men available or women’s generally greater intelligence brings value, what is the advantage to doing this? Are there a bunch of women just waiting for a chance to get shot? More likely it stems from the lack of women generals as combat experience is one of the tick marks for promotion. Certainly the historical fact that no army can function unless 50% of its generals are female must be the driving force here.


Comment from JeffS
Time: January 25, 2013, 8:41 pm

It ain’t just the legislation, folks. The lefties are going for the suppliers and manufacturers as well.


Comment from Scubafreak
Time: January 25, 2013, 10:37 pm

Well, I was planning to name the CETME rifle I am purchasing MARG, in honor of Marg Helgenberger.. Maybe I should name my L1-A1 Sporter Dianne, just to piss Mz. Feinstein off…


Comment from MikeW
Time: January 25, 2013, 10:42 pm

Hey Veg, you’re looking in the wrong direction for the answer. Society (non-muslin, anyway) is generally more horrified by the death of women than it is by the death of men. Especially young women. Agreed?

By eliminating the exclusion of women from the jobs which carry the highest likelihood of being killed, they fully expect more to be killed. What they want is for society to generally become ever more resistant to entering combat in the first place. This is an anti-war effort of the highest order.

Military organization, lines of command, Duty, Honor, Service, are all generally anathema to the Progressive mindset. For them it is the individual Über Alles. Just to note, I absolutely believe that there are many women who would be exceptional in any job. That’s not my point, and it’s honestly not their point either. They really don’t shiv a git about anybody ‘dumb’ enough to enlist.

Why do you think it’s Democrats like Rangle who perpetually push to reinstate the draft? It’s all about the putting people into the military who sure as hell don’t want to be there and would then cause problems. Even the threat of possibly going is enough to scare some into a more anti-military, anti-war posture. It does NOT have anything to do with ‘equality’.

To be a Democrat, or especially a Progressive, means you always lie publicly about your motives on any subject. Did you know that teachers always go on strike ‘for the sake of the children?’


Comment from S. Weasel
Time: January 25, 2013, 11:03 pm

By gum, I bet that’s right.


Comment from Oceania
Time: January 26, 2013, 1:50 am

In Moscow, when the Jewish Bolsheviks, funded from America, planned a siege in Mosow – they asked the armed military officers and police not to interfere, in return for being left alone.

when the Bolsheviks were in power, they asked all firearms owners to register their weapons – and promptly shot them all as they did.

I see a lot of Jews in your government


Comment from SDN
Time: January 26, 2013, 3:58 am

JeffS, any gun and ammo maker who isn’t planning to move to TX is run by fools.


Comment from SCOTTtheBADGER
Time: January 26, 2013, 11:18 am

I was on another website, and the topic turned to the Browning M2HB .50, and what a satisfying sound it makes DUNK-DUNK-DUNK-DUNK. That took me back to my USN days, and made me think of the 40mm BOFORs, which makes the same sound, writ large. BOMP BOMP BOMP BOMP.


Comment from Christopher Taylor
Time: January 26, 2013, 10:51 pm

There’s 3 basic reasons for the women in combat thing. Part of it is the “everything should be equal” movement (fairness, etc), part of it is what Mike said – the same reason they pushed the draft – its an anti war effort, and the basic opposition to anything that some people perceive as discrimination in any form in any setting. Nobody really does anything for one reason, and at least some might even think it will make a better fighting force, out of sad ignorance.

I don’t expect many women to actually sign up to this duty, and almost none of them to last. No offense to women, but you can’t hack it in extended combat. Deal with it, I doubt I could either.


Comment from Sigivald
Time: January 29, 2013, 12:07 am

I just saw a transcript from her on Meet The Press over the weekend.

She evidently thinks that The North Hollywood Shootout was both a) typical and b) didn’t happen 15 years ago.

Her claim was that, roughly, “gang members usually use AK047s” and “cops have to commandeer guns from gun stores to not be outgunned”.

Yeah, that happened. Once. In 1997. And they were professional thieves, not gang members. And since there, police departments started buying machine-guns and issuing carbines, both self-loading and machine-gun, in patrol cars.

Would Senator Feinstein know any of those things? Of course not. That would be inconvenient.

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