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Did y’all see this? A new photo album has turned up showing the staff of Auschwitz at play. There are few other pictures of Auschwitz before it was liberated, most notably the so-called Auschwitz Album which shows the death camp side of the death camp. The contrast is contrasty.

Included are eight new photos of Joseph Mengele, my own personal choice for Evillest Nazi. Hitler may have run the show, but he was pretty squeamish about getting his hands dirty. Mengele, on the other hand, just loved his work. Kids really responded to him, too…right up to the moment he dripped acid in their little eyes, trying to turn brown eyes blue.

The whole album is online at the Holocaust Museum.

Kind of a downer of a post, sorry. It is Monday. So very, very Monday.


Comment from S. Weasel
Time: September 24, 2007, 12:17 pm

If I were you, I’d just hang out on the pee thread and talk about Lauraw’s dogfarts.

Comment from Dawn
Time: September 24, 2007, 12:55 pm

1.1 million died in Auschwitz.
Höcker was convicted of war crimes and served SEVEN!!!! years before his release in 1970. He died in 2000 at 89.

This makes me very very sad.

Comment from S. Weasel
Time: September 24, 2007, 1:05 pm

Mengele didn’t serve a day (not counting his brief detention at the close of the war, when — alas! — nobody recognized him). Lived to a ripe old age in South America and died in a drowning accident in 1979.

Comment from Steamboat McGoo
Time: September 24, 2007, 1:17 pm

Sometimes I wish we could bring back some of the Nazis who were executed for war crimes…so we could execute them over and over and over…

Comment from jwpaine
Time: September 24, 2007, 1:33 pm

What a bunch of krazy kut-ups!

Comment from jwpaine
Time: September 24, 2007, 1:35 pm

Okay, I don’t want to get all weird on ya or nithin’, but doesn’t that accordian player look a bit, um, presidential? Just noticing before the KosKids do….

Comment from Pupster
Time: September 24, 2007, 1:59 pm

Oh my. *looks again*

My my my.

Comment from Steamboat McGoo
Time: September 24, 2007, 2:07 pm

Um..how ’bout on the other end? LBJ, anyone?

Comment from Gibby Haynes
Time: September 24, 2007, 3:23 pm

Speaking of evil fucks, I see Ahmadinejad is going down a storm in liberal America. Hell, just under half of the Kossacks would rather he be PUSA than Dubya. Incredible.
Fucking Nazis are all the same, man.

Comment from Somebody else
Time: September 24, 2007, 3:26 pm

What’s really scary is the guy in the middle kinda looks like Mel Brooks. Wait a minute…

Are you sure this isn’t a photo of a dance number from Springtime for Hitler? From The Producers?

Comment from Christopher Taylor
Time: September 24, 2007, 3:51 pm

Downer or not, the fact is, putting a human face on these monsters should make people stop and think. They weren’t endless hateful brutes without humanity or compassion. They probably loved their sweethearts and their children, they probably had many of the same dreams and aspirations as you and I.

The fact that someone seems nice or pleasent doesn’t make them any less guilty for the evil they did: and that’s a far too common failing in America. We’re all too ready to forgive people because they seem sorry or seem like nice guys. I sense a blog entry tomorrow.

Comment from Lokki
Time: September 24, 2007, 4:07 pm

We’re all too ready to forgive people because they seem sorry or seem like nice guys

Like what’s his name from Iran who is speaking at Columbia today?

Comment from S. Weasel
Time: September 24, 2007, 4:19 pm

I recommend The Nazi Doctors, though it’s hardly a pleasant read. Some of these guys, like Mengele, were just thoroughly evil fuckers. Harder to deal with were the guys who weren’t; especially the ones that had managed to convince themselves that by working in the camps, they had somehow made things better. That if they hadn’t been there, genuinely evil men would have taken their places. You could see a whole universe of hideously self-serving cognitive dissonance going on.

As for Mahmoud, he ruined the love affair early on by asserting there were no homosexuals in Iran. You could hear the hearts breaking all over the room.

Comment from Steamboat McGoo
Time: September 24, 2007, 5:03 pm

“They weren’t endless hateful brutes …” -C. T. –

Every person is some mothers child. When these monsters were executed, someone – somewhere – moourned their passing.

But if they were smart, they did it quietly!

Weas’: I’ll buy that book tomorrow if I can find it locally. It looks like a must-read.

Comment from nbpundit
Time: September 24, 2007, 7:10 pm

More like heads exploding, and hearts cracking at that
announcement of” there’s no homosexuals in Iran”. Wonder if the little lesbian who had/s a little crush on Imamaddinnajacket still feels all cuddly about him.

Mores the pity that today many are incapable of recognizing evil when it presents itself, therefore they’re also unable to combat evil.
Dumb sheep anyone?

Comment from Dawn
Time: September 24, 2007, 7:52 pm

This father is accused of raping his 3 month old baby girl. His name is Kirk Coleman. *spit

Comment from EW1(SG)
Time: September 24, 2007, 7:56 pm

Looking through the photos online from the Holocaust Museum, I was absolutely stunned by this line from a caption:

“The officer on the right is unidentified.”

WTF, K?!? You mean to tell me that after all this time, we don’t know who that banal, EVIL fuck is? We should know his name, his shoe and glove size, his inseam, the name of his wife, children; his mistress, the name of his favorite parakeet when he was a child.

We should know enough about him that his stigma attaches down to the seventh generation from now, at a minimum!


Comment from S. Weasel
Time: September 24, 2007, 8:25 pm

Dawn: three links; spam filter. Raping, or beating half to death? Same level of evil, different level of ick.

And…I know, EW1(SG). Someone barked that out after Ahmedinajed was fingered as one of the seventies kidnappers. Basically, incredulously, “we didn’t track down every one of those fucks and kill them?”

Comment from Dawn
Time: September 24, 2007, 8:46 pm

Sweasel – He is charged with criminal sexual misconduct and child abuse.

Comment from Steamboat McGoo
Time: September 24, 2007, 8:46 pm

Dawn – regarding the daughter raper. Two words:

Scientific Experiments.

Comment from jwpaine
Time: September 24, 2007, 9:28 pm

Naw, torture degrades the torturer as much as it does the victim. A bullet to daddy’s head would suffice.

Comment from Steamboat McGoo
Time: September 24, 2007, 10:16 pm

Who said torture? I’m talking real research experiments – albeit without regard to risk to the subject, or consideration for resulting pain or injury.

We’re talking consignment to “lab rat” status. nothing more. Nothing less. Let the piece of shit serve a purpose.

But, I must admit, the thought of significant pain to this dickhead pleases the screaming barbarian in me. For this I do not apologize.

Comment from BGG
Time: September 25, 2007, 5:45 am

I agree Steamboat. We should keep those creatures alive for medical research, then kill them when we’re done.

To Christopher Taylor’s comment: some of the worst human monsters are very charming. Trust me on this one. When we demonize evil people and see them as all bad I’m sure it is partly because we can’t stand to recognize that every single human being is about one step from vicious animal behavior given the right external stimulus or internal malfunction. That said, we can’t excuse evil people – we need to recognize the need to protect ourselves against them even though they can smile pretty.

Comment from lizardbrain
Time: September 25, 2007, 5:59 am

Hmmm. I can’t help but notice the lady on the left. The one with the hump. Just wonderin’…

Comment from lauraw
Time: September 25, 2007, 9:28 am


Comment from Dawn
Time: September 25, 2007, 10:19 am

The Fräulein doing the jitterbug makes me want to smack her.

Comment from Paul Brewer
Time: September 25, 2007, 10:42 am

Why is it that we are constantly confronted with some aspect of the Holocaust and not the crimes of Josef Stalin who was responsible for more Jewish victims than the Nazis ? This is not to mention the 13 million Ukranians he deliberrately starved to death and millions more in the Gulags.
Auschwitz ??? The LARGEST concentration camp ever constructed was Dalstroy in northern Siberia where three million died.
Five million Armenians were slaughtered by the Turks. And let’s not even mention Mao, who takes first place in the genocide sweepstakes. I abhor all the atrocities and everyones memory should be kept sacred because WE ALL SUFFERED.
My father, a pacifist and college baseball player had his right arm and shoulder shot away in the fighting on Biak Island north of New Guinea with the 41st Infantry Division of the U.S. Army. That’s one of the reasons I bristle when the Second World War is so often treated as a minor footnote to the Holocaust.

Comment from S. Weasel
Time: September 25, 2007, 12:06 pm

You’re looking at the reason, Paul. The Nazis were such prolific and compulsive record keepers and picture takers.

When Mao’s holiday snaps turn up in somebody’s bedside table, we’ll talk about those.

Comment from Steamboat McGoo
Time: September 25, 2007, 4:22 pm

Hammer. Nail.

Bullseye, Weas.

I’d read somewhere that most of the data we have on human physiology under stress (freezing, heat, starvation, etc) is directly from those prolific record-keeping sadists.

Comment from Christopher Taylor
Time: September 25, 2007, 4:37 pm

Nope, they locked up those records and every medical organization in the world swore to never look at them again because of the evil way they were discovered.

Comment from Steamboat McGoo
Time: September 25, 2007, 4:40 pm

You wouldn’t happen to have a reference to that would you, CT? I’d never heard that. But I’d read more-or-less what I asserted several times over the decades.

Understand: I’m always trying to correct my (heh) bwain.

Comment from Lokki
Time: September 25, 2007, 10:45 pm

McGoo –

An interesting article about the subject above – that, frankly – no one else should read, if they ever want to sleep again. I won’t link it directly to help the rest of you avoid temptation. I have to go pray now.


Comment from Muslihoon
Time: September 25, 2007, 11:56 pm

Here’s something to ponder on (it made me ponder): most humans have the same potential for evil. This potential is not realized because of layers and layers and layers of conditions and external hindrances (not to mention social conditioning to produce internal hindrances thereto). What makes people such as Stalin, Mao, Hitler, et cetera, so different is that they come into a position where they can strip away these layers and hindrances, and can implement their potential without negative consequence. In other words, Stalin is not different from us, or we from him. It is just that we are in positions where we cannot implement our evil potentials or, even if we could, we have been so thoroughly conditioned that we would not.

In a way, I think this is important because this speaks volumes about the important of social and societal hindrances, inhibitions, conditioning, and dictating. This is one reason why it is important for societies to declare what is right and wrong, good and bad, and to severely punish those who stray from these imperative values. Because if truly “[a]ll we like sheep have gone astray; we have turned every one to his own way” (Isaiah 53:6), the inevitable consequence would be the implementation of unimaginable evil.


Comment from Christopher Taylor
Time: September 26, 2007, 1:01 am

I can’t say all of the studies that the Nazis did were locked away, only Josef Mengele’s was, and he is the one that did the most of those human tolerance experiments trying to prove Jews were less evolved humans.

Stalin apparently was a really nice guy to people he liked.

Comment from Steamboat McGoo
Time: September 26, 2007, 7:54 am

Lokki, Muslihoon, and Chris,

Thanks for the responses to the query: I found all to be interesting. Do please understand that I do not defend Nazis or any other such monsters: but what I do NOT do is allow my personal and very deep feeling (My family’s multiple european branches were very nearly – all but one person – wiped out in that war) about this evil to cloud my objective judgement about matters of fact and data.


a) I found no reference to “every medical organization in the world swore to never look…”. Nothing even close. Indeed, I find in Lokki’s article that not only were portions used in the past and may be being used now, but that the argument (by medical/scientific organization officials)for use is still very much alive and ongoing by the Jews themselves, and others.

b) While I agree with Muslihoon that “…it is important for societies to declare what is right and wrong, good and bad, and to severely punish those who stray.”, I do not agree that “…the inevitable consequence (of not doing so) would be the implementation of unimaginable evil.”

This argument is like the old “if you don’t believe in god/hereafter then you will have no reason to be nice/kind/moral and chaos will reign.

In his book “God: The failed Hypothesis” V. J. Stenger points out that American prisons are presently filled with self-professed christians/moslims/jews – and not a lot of athiests – and that surveys and statistical data (on free folks – not inmates) indicate that the “religious” are actually just as “immoral” as the non-believers (and in some areas more so).

As a practicing I-don’t-believe ‘er (the term Athiest has too much vernacular baggage), I have not found religious folks to be any more moral, honest, or virtuous than non-believers: just more hypocritical.

“There is nothing so pure as the kindness of an atheist.”

– Freakwater –

c) I’m not at risk of losing sleep over this subject or the specific descriptions therein: I hate to say it, but I’ve read as-bad-or-worse in history and seen worse in movies, and I sleep poorly anyway.

–and that’s enough seriousness for me.

Comment from Belle Lee Butoun
Time: September 26, 2007, 11:52 am

I’ve spent a little time pondering the difference between the Nazis, the Soviets, and the Japanese and their comparable actions during the 40’s and 50’s.

While the consequences were the same to the victims – terrible almost randomly imposed deaths – the motivations were different.

The Soviets come from a culture with a long tradition of brutality towards peasants and prisoners. Essentially, there wasn’t any particularly new idea or impulse – it was simply business as usual – just as it had been for 1,000 years. Nothing to report here, move along.

The farmers have always plowed ant mounds under – and of course the ants die. It’s always been that way

For the Japanese, they came from culture that was very restrictive on conduct- that considered prisoners to be dishonored whiners. Recall that very few Japanese surrendered – because of this cultural point. So you had a combination of factors.
A. Freedom from the tight culture turned into freedom from ALL the rules of civilized behavior.
B. Prisoners are weaklings who deserve bullying for being wimps.

Here at the beach, it’s ok to play with the ant mound -nobody cares what we do! So,let’s set them on fire or stomp them!. Anyhow, ants are bad little weak things, so it’s OK.

The Germans are for me the most frightening. They were actually DO-GOODERS. They were going to improve the world by getting rid of bad things. So they set out very systematically to do just that. It’s really the same mind set as the people who want to ban transfats, I think. We must protect ourselves from evil. But to keep my analogies consistent:

Ants are bad! The world will be a better place if we destroy them all. Hans – make a plan to start sharply at 9 am at the left edge of the field. Do a complete job. – Oh, and say, let’s do the moths as well, and those beetles. And…..

Now, the Islamists? I think they are yet again something else. They are driven by principle to save what they believe is a good system under attack.

The ants are ruining the garden! We must stomp them out – even if it means we get bitten by them – but it’s the right thing to do.Oh, look what they’ve done to the garden

So you see, none of these people, except perhaps the Japanese, have any shame about what they’ve done. It is at best, indifference, or at worst, the RIGHT thing to do to make the world better.

Comment from Lokki
Time: September 26, 2007, 11:54 am

Wow, what a place to have to confess that Belle Lee Butoun is really Lokki…. Damn.

Comment from S. Weasel
Time: September 26, 2007, 12:13 pm

That was a insightful comment, Lokki. And only made more delicious by your nom de plume.

Comment from EW1(SG)
Time: September 26, 2007, 1:06 pm

Muslihoon ponders as such:

Here’s something to ponder on (it made me ponder): most humans have the same potential for evil.

No, they don’t. Setting aside purely physical concerns that would hinder one’s ability to consummate evil, like muscular dystrophy or halitosis; there exists a varying range in different people’s capacity to conceive and commit evil. The vast majority of the world’s population lies between those two extremes. The Pol Pots, Maos, Stalins, and Hitlers do not become sociopaths because they are arbitrarily thrust into positions that allow them to indulge their sociopathies, they achieve those positions because their sociopathies compel them to.

The importance of your underlying thesis is not to be ignored, though. It’s the vast majority of people for whom socialization and cultural mores do play an important determinant in their behavior that provide the structure for everyday life to be reasonably free of coercion and threat, that act as a check on the potentially world shattering evil that occurs when a sociopath like Mohammed is elevated to a position that indulges their sociopathology.

An example that springs to mind is Hillary Clinton. Her sociopathy compels her to seek the most authoritarian position possible in our society, but even if she attains it, there are a number of societal institutions that will limit the damage that even she can do to the world.

Just as there are people genius in particular fields of intellectual, artistic, or physical endeavor, there are moral geniuses like Solzhenitsyn and evil geniuses like Charles Manson.

Comment from EW1(SG)
Time: September 26, 2007, 1:11 pm

I am having terrible difficulty with the preview function lately.

In the post above, what appears as the last paragraph, should be read between …conceive and commit evil. The vast majority of the world’s population… these sentences.

Comment from S. Weasel
Time: September 26, 2007, 1:49 pm

You mean literally? I’m having a hard time getting the front page to load lately, but I assumed it was the crap connection from work.

I’m a big proponent of the sociopath model of history, too. While people are certainly greatly influenced by their experiences, we aren’t completely blank slates. An awful lot of people are awfully suggestible, but a comparative few have a desire to dominate (of which some are evil and some are not).

Although the Milgram experiment indicates a frightening number of people will do wicked things when wickedness is normalized.

Comment from EW1(SG)
Time: September 26, 2007, 2:12 pm

Yeah. Cut and pasted “Solzhenitsyn” so as not to have to rely on my aged memory, and it looked like it was in the right spot in preview…but it could be a browser thing.

…a comparative few have a desire to dominate (of which some are evil and some are not).

There are likely comparatively few at either end of the good/evil spectrum. While the Bin Ladens/Ahmeddinnerjackets get all the press, the Mother Teresas are also out there.

And in between, are the “suggestibles.”

I had meant to suggest the essay, “On Sheep, Wolves and Sheepdogs” to Muslihoon as another illustration of a type of person that doesn’t arise solely because of socialization, but forgot.


Comment from EW1(SG)
Time: September 26, 2007, 2:15 pm

Heh™. Wednesday afternoon.

Hey, Lokki? Ya got a deck of cards?

Comment from S. Weasel
Time: September 26, 2007, 4:08 pm

Oohhhhh…now I understand the “Lokki” remark. Only one link. I wonder what annoyed the filter that time.

Sorry. Akismet is like a loyal attack dog. 99% of the time, it protects us from intruders. The other 1% it jams its nose in the preacher’s crotch when he comes for tea.

Comment from Steamboat McGoo
Time: September 26, 2007, 4:37 pm

“…to confess that Belle Lee Butoun is really Lokki…”

I knew it! No one bursts into song or verse better’n Lokki! That gave you away right off, Lo’!

All who have posted make good points – and the implicit point that none of this is cut-and-dried.

I think Lokki and EW1 make good points in that “nazis” so-to-speak are conceived and nurtured by societies or segments of societies – they aren’t really by accident. Like a weed, they have to have soil to root in safely and an environment that allows them to grow and florish.

Comment from Steamboat McGoo
Time: September 26, 2007, 4:53 pm

Oh – Weasel – I got a copy of that Nazi Doctor book today.

Borders had it.

Good thing, too. I just finished a book (Red Scorpion: The USS Rasher) and was idly wondering what to read next. Looks like WW2 history will be on the menu again for a few days.

I have a book about plagues and people I was gonna read next, but it was written in 1975-6 and is probably horribly out of date (AIDs wasn’t even known about then). My boo-boo when I bought it. Didn’t check the c-right page.

Comment from S. Weasel
Time: September 26, 2007, 5:01 pm

Well, if it’s actually Plagues and Peoples, I read it years ago and liked it. But then, I’m big on plagues. People, not so much.

Comment from Steamboat McGoo
Time: September 26, 2007, 5:34 pm

I’m equally indifferent to Plagues and Peoples so long as they leave me alone. 🙂

It is Plagues & Peoples, btw.

I actually started it and got “unexcited” when I read the preface and saw that it was a 70’s book updated to the 80’s, but still not addressing AIDs or anything else since the 80’s. I bet if you read it now you’d find discrepencies with what we now “know” to be true about disease and plague.

I will go ahead and read it later, but the Nazi Doc book prommises to be equally interesting. It’ll be interesting to compare its assertions with – say – Cantor’s descriptions and infection path mappings of the 14th century Y-Pestis plagues.

Comment from S. Weasel
Time: September 26, 2007, 6:04 pm

I have to wonder if it’s a bit early for AIDs histories. I would guess a lot of the science is still subsumed under the agenda. Certainly a great deal of the early science was. Remember when they initially declared blood tranfusions were safe without actually trying to find out if it was true? That caught out a lot of hemophiliacs early on.

I had a whole era of online usernames that were variations on Yersinia pestis.

Comment from Steamboat McGoo
Time: September 26, 2007, 9:01 pm

You have variations on a name representing the Black Plague — I have…McGoo. Phrased like that, my nickname is pathetic.

By AIDs histories, the author of P & P (McNeil I believe) was talking about origins and vector paths I think i.e. “out of africa”, and how confused it already is.

I guess I’ll find out when I read the book. Meanwhile the Nazi Doctors beckons.

Comment from jwpaine
Time: September 26, 2007, 11:47 pm

You want to read an interesting take on the Nazis and what enabled such evil to spring forth in a supposedly philosophically advanced culture, read Leonard Peikoff’s The Ominous Parallels.

Comment from Steamboat McGoo
Time: September 27, 2007, 2:16 am

Oh, goody! More reading material! Thanks!

Comment from Steamboat McGoo
Time: September 27, 2007, 9:20 am


Did you really intend to recommend Peikoff – Ayn Rand’s “philosophical heir” – to me?

Objectivism – while pretty – is for college kids who are just beginning to stretch their new-found (or newly-learned) intellectual muscles. I thought the fundamental flaws in the philosophy had been documented for decades?

External moral imperative, absolute values/valuation flaws, etc?

Its been a long time since my “Shrugs” days, so my memory is faded.

Comment from S. Weasel
Time: September 27, 2007, 9:47 am

All’s I remember is, Ayn Rand clearly had sexual fantasies about rape.


Comment from Steamboat McGoo
Time: September 27, 2007, 12:24 pm

Long ago I’d read that that fantasy is not really that uncommon amongst F’s, W. What I read could be a complete crock of shit, too.

Comment from S. Weasel
Time: September 27, 2007, 2:00 pm

Well, not THIS little brown mustelid. I’m a real consensus sort of a weasel…

Comment from Steamboat McGoo
Time: September 27, 2007, 2:22 pm

Yep. And this weiner-sapian (To his positive knowledge) is not capable of (or interested in) both violence/dominance/control and sexual ardor simultaneously.

If that makes me a dull lover, well then, tough crapola. Go get serviced elsewhere.

Comment from Snapple
Time: September 29, 2007, 6:22 am

I think it was in The Fountainhead that the architect rapes the woman named Dominique.

I was facinated by the arrogance of the architect Roark 40 years ago—in high school. Not since.

Rand’s ideology is very extreme. She’s as fanatical as her Bolshevik enemies.

Rand disparages charity and helping people. For her, only the strongest are worth anything. That’s pretty much how communism was, in reality.

The architect Roark was modeled on Frank Loyd Wright.

Wright was so extreme and such a control-freak that his houses had the furniture bolted to the floor so that owners couldn’t move things around. He also made buyers promise not to change the colors. This is in the more modest models for ordinary people. Maybe the big houses are different.

Comment from S. Weasel
Time: September 29, 2007, 7:30 am

I didn’t know that. I’ve never understood the mystique of Frank Loyd Wright, though. His buildings always strike me as modern in the ugliest sense of the word.

Comment from jwpaine
Time: September 29, 2007, 2:29 pm

Wonderful. Weasel’s blog, snappified. The punch bowl-dog turd metaphor seems apt.

Comment from jwpaine
Time: September 29, 2007, 2:53 pm

Steamboat: I don’t recommend Peikoff because he is Rand’s intellectual heir, I recommend that book by Peikoff because in it, Peikoff has some very interesting things to say about the philosophical foundations of Germany’s national socialism, and the relevance of those foundations to the modern-day US.

I couldn’t care less about Rand’s rape fantasies. As somebody once said, if you get wood while driving past the pumpkin patch, sooner or later you’re going to be fucking a pumpkin.

Comment from S. Weasel
Time: September 29, 2007, 3:26 pm

Huh. My mother never told me that. Although, in fairness, it sounds exactly like something she’d say.

Did Snapple follow over from your place, jw? I knew I’d seen the name.

Comment from jwpaine
Time: September 29, 2007, 3:54 pm

Not from PB. Snapple’s been banned there for at least a year. Snapple’s writing is the Unibomber’s manifesto of the anti-Wardo set. Drunkablog lets Snapple post there, but I’ve heard he has a +100 Ring of Suffer-Fools-Gladly.

Comment from jwpaine
Time: September 29, 2007, 4:07 pm

BTW: From the comments over at Drunkablog, here’s a recent example of Snapple, ex cathedra.

Comment from Snapple
Time: September 29, 2007, 4:32 pm

Dear Weasel,

Mr. Paine sometimes mentions me. He probably forgot…you know how absent-minded poet-types are…

Matches for ‘snapple’:

CNews 18July07

CNews 21June07

CU instructor posts death threat on blog

CNews 16August06

CNews 24July06

CNews 22July06

CNews 27June06

Comment from jwpaine
Time: September 29, 2007, 4:44 pm

As I’ve said elsewhere, Snapple: Seriously, who gives a fuck?

Comment from Snapple
Time: September 29, 2007, 5:03 pm

The picture of the Birkenau staff reminds me of Elie Wiesel’s book NIGHT.

I don’t agree with Ayn Rand’s philosophy because she feels it’s “every man for himself.” She only values people who are strong, smart, and talented. She misses a lot of what is beautiful about humans.

I read Elie Wiesel’s book “Night” every year. It is about a teenaged boy and his father in Nazi concentration camps.

At the beginning of the story a kind Polish man in charge of the block advises the Jewish prisoners to help each other because that is the only way to survive. Eliezer, the teenager, and his father do stick together and help each other. Once, the father’s prayers keep Eliezer from throwing himself on the electric fence so he won’t be burned alive in a fiery pit. Eliezer is angry with God, but because his father is praying, he prays too, in spite of himself. The Jews are marched into a barracks instead of into a fiery pit. He was saved because he stuck with his father.

Many desperate prisoners turn on each other for some personal gain. One man even kills his own father for a piece of bread. Moments later he is also killed. “Every man for himself” got that son killed, is the author’s point.

Eliezer is always worried that he will abandon his father so he can save himself. He doesn’t want to sink that low.

Near the end of the story, a man in charge of the block tells Eliezer exactly the opposite advice as the Polish man at the beginning of the story. He says, “in a concentration camp it’s every man for himself” and “there are no fathers…we all die alone. He tells the teenager that he should eat his dying father’s bread and soup and not give it to his father.

Eliezer listens to this older man’s tempting advice for a moment, but then he RUNS to get his father some soup. So he didn’t take the advice.

The father died, but I think the point of the story is that God wants us to help each other. I think Elie Wiesel was glad that he didn’t abandon his father, even when giving him soup was hopeless.

In a way, our spirits have no elbows, so we can’t feed ourselves. If we want to eat, maybe we need to feed each other.

Comment from Snapple
Time: September 29, 2007, 6:01 pm

This post on my site shows two chimneys at Birkenau. They remind me of the twin towers, which I posted a bit further down.


They don’t look like much, but there were loads of them.

Comment from Steamboat McGoo
Time: September 30, 2007, 10:34 am

jwp –

That’s a relief (not recommending because of link to Rand). Your reading advice has been excellent so far. I was worried! I’ll seek out the book. Thanks!

Hi Snapple! Did jpw ban you because you’re especially obnoxious, or because you’re a doofus? Or are you simply an asshole? He a tolerant guy but does not suffer fools (or the butt-stupid)(or ‘tarded liberals)(or the illiterate) gladly.

Now I can claim to be a fair-to-middlin’ asshole myself – as a matter of fact a dude named jimineycricket called me a cumguzzlin’ gutter tramp a few months ago (and I’m not even a girl) right here on this site (so there!) – But I don’t get banned from respectable sites.

So what is your major malfunction? Just askin’, y’know.

Do you smell, maybe?

Comment from jwpaine
Time: September 30, 2007, 12:24 pm

Oh, I can spout Rand apologia with the best of them, Steamboat, but defending her literary peccadilloes is a fool’s errand, like defending Heinlein for the oedipal/pedophilic literary fantasies rife in his later novels.

I come away from Rand with the idea that a wound is not a claim on the property of others; too many (college louts primarily) seem to come away with a more Nietzscheian interpretation–fallacious, of course, and no doubt a self-serving rationalization for their single-minded pursuit of pussy.

On the subject of Snapple aka G. Knoll aka Surf Ballroom, where ever she’s permitted, she posts long, link-laden non sequiturs that inevitably belabor the obvious while adding absolutely nothing but background noise to the given conversation. The first few are often mistaken for earnest-but-poorly reasoned contributions to the debate, but time shows that they are skewed-logic boilerplate from a seriously deluded mind (example: Snaps fervently believes Ward Churchill was at least complicit in–and perhaps guilty of–the murder of JonBenet Ramsey).

Comment from Snapple
Time: September 30, 2007, 12:27 pm

I read an interview of Mr. Paine one time where he said he kind of liked Ayn Rand. Mr. Paine said:

“I guess a good way to describe my political and philosophical beliefs would be to call myself a member of the Reformed Church of Ayn Rand. I don’t pretend to defend Rand’s own inconsistencies–the dichotomy between her private life and her writing. I do believe that the government’s only salable product is force, and when it attempts to amend racial imbalances, or finance education, or protect various businesses, or finance the retirement of our seniors–it can only do so via force, and that is wrong, not to mention incredibly prone to corruption. And when you have the government involved in patently non-governmental enterprises, you end up with the Ward Churchill debacle, wherein the American people are required to finance the tenure of a lying bully and braggart with spurious academic credentials and an even more suspicious personal history.”

Mr. Paine told you why he banned me. He believes that I am too extreme in my views of Ward Churchill. He says I am crazy, the Unabomber of the anti-Churchill crowd.

Specifically, I think that the Colorado AIM ideology may have had something to do with the JonBenet Ramsey murder. It’s complicated, has to do with one of his historical fabrications, the Gulf War, sanctions on Iraq, AIM murders, hatred of the FBI, KGB-backed publications and more. My case begins with the first post on my blog called “342 Indians.” You would have to start at the beginning and read the posts in order. It’s complicated.


I don’t have much of a political philosophy like Mr. Paine does, but Ayn Rand’s ideology–at least as expressed in her novels–strikes me as a mirror-image of Bolshevism only for a different elite–smart, talented “supermen” like her character Howard Roark. Rand’s ideology is as arrogant and as militantly atheist as any “scientific” communist. She has a dollar sign for her symbol just like the Maoi$t MIM.

I don’t believe in small government when we also have big powerful enemies and big powerful corporate interests. I think there needs to be a balance of powers, a level playing field so everyone can get his chance in court.
Nothing is perfect, but duking it out our differences in an independent court sure beats violence.

I think the interests of our country require that all our people be given an opportunity for an education. Countries that ignore their poor and don’t give them any opportunities are asking for extremist revolutions led by demagogues.

I think that Republican business people who hire illegal aliens and don’t pay their healthcare benefits are shifting these costs onto the taxpayer. They are socializing their costs and privatizing their profits.

Big government can be unjust and corrupt, but so can powerful wealthy corporate interests. When they are combined–as really happens the most under communism because of the corruption–it is a disaster.

I guess I think that as long as we all get to vote, have independent courts, and have a media that can expose corruption (like Mr. Paine has exposed Churchill), that the government can provide some taxpayer-funded social services like education.

I think some social protections like public education protect capitalism. The ideologies that worm their way into education by pretending to be “science”–Churchill’s mendacious lies and half-truths on the left, creation “science” on the religious right, crackpot environmentalism–can be addressed by an independent media, citizens’ groups, and the courts–not by privatizing everything.

FDR’s work-projects probably saved capitalism during the Depression and kept young working people from unemployment, crime, and radical politics.

Under communism, the so-called “socialism” was really just for the party mafiya. It was really all corruption.

If you wanted to run the meat store, you bribed a party boss half a million dollars. Basically you bought a franchise from the government. Your success was not based on your business acument but on your access to political patronage.

When you had your meat store, you sold the good cuts out the back door for a huge markup–not the government price–and pocketed it (except for what you used to bribe politicians). The poor people bought the bad meat in the store for the state price. This was stealing because the state gave you the meat to sell and the taxpayer had supported that. The politicians and the businesspeople had a corrupt relationship that ripped-off the Russian taxpayer.
The butcher had to pay graft to the politicians in order to steal from the Russian taxpayer.

There was no free press or independent court to stop this corruption of the tax-funded so-called “socialism.”

But my politics really don’t matter for what I am saying on my blog. People in America can have different views on the role of government, but when a group advocates violence instead of the ballot, they are out of bounds.

Churchill calls elected Indian leaders and elected US government leaders “stooges” of capitalism, imperialism.
Churchill has contempt for voters. He thinks his little band of utopian communists know better than the voters.
He does what he does to discredit American security agencies and our elected politicians, not to uplift Indians. [All this ranting about Columbus goes back to Islamist resentment about the Christian reconquest of Moorish Spain in 1492 and the expansion of the West because of Columbus’ discovery of America. It’s not really about how he mistreated Indians.]

Voters are sometimes wrong, but self-selected totalitarian elites are much worse: Especially uneducated idiots who are in the deep pockets of America’s enemies. Colorado AIM’s own publications claim that the original AIM Movement was getting money from Sadaam’s Baath Party.

Comment from jwpaine
Time: September 30, 2007, 12:45 pm

To mitigate my exasperation with Snapple’s single-minded stupidity, I was going to post a two-year-old email I received from “Surf Ballroom”, but I see by her latest post that she has done my work for me.

Comment from jwpaine
Time: September 30, 2007, 1:02 pm

On second thought….

Here’s an email I received two years ago from Snapple/Surf Ballroom (I eventually set up an auto-responder so I wouldn’t have to manually delete her barrage of crap):

Dear Mr. Paine,

Churchill probably knows he is suspected in the Ramsey murder. I have posted some places and there have been some other hints.

Maybe he wants everyone to focus on his free speech so he can claim he was framed when he is arrested for JonBenet.

He attacked Free Republic a lot on the issue of his free speech, but never mentioned my FR posts about Osage Indian Murders and Ramsey. These are crimes; he can talk all he wants.

Maybe he doesn’t want to call attention to that. I was banned, so maybe his lawyer frightened FR. I don’t know. People are afraid of David Lane the propagandist and terrorist lawyer.

Surf Ballroom

Incidentally, Snaps, just how relentlessly batshit crazy does one have to be to get banned from Free Republic?

Comment from Snapple
Time: September 30, 2007, 3:29 pm

Dear Mr. Paine,

It’s true I got banned from Free Republic, but you forgot to mention that a retired FBI agent who used to be head of the Minneapolis FBI—Joseph Trimbach—recently linked my blog when he wrote an article for News from Indian Country about the murder of the two FBI agents and about the raped and murdered AIM activist Anna Mae Aquash. [I never met or talked to Mr. Trimbach. I just recognized his name because Churchill trashes him in his books.]


Churchill gets “peer reviewed”/published by the “scholars” who publish the Covert Action Information Bulletin.

Who are these CAIB “scholars”? The famous former chair of the History Department at Cambridge University in England named Christopher Andrew says that the CAIB is a KGB mouthpiece that is devoted to discrediting the CIA and FBI. Andrew is an expert on intelligence studies.

Your blog doesn’t tell what this famous professor says about the CAIB—that it is a KGB-sponsored publication.

You have mentioned Mr. Trimbach in passing a few times on your site, but you have never showed how much he was victimized and maligned by the AIM and was not allowed to defend himself.

Joe Trimbach did a lot to defend Indians from AIM/communist-inspired terrorist violence. Compared to an expert on AIM like Mr. Trimbach, you are not such an expert on what AIM does to hurt and murder Indians.

Not that I don’t think your blog is pretty good. But you are not the top expert. You were just mad your money was paying Churchill because you don’t like his politics.

You never told that Mr. Trimbach linked “batshit crazy” Snapple in his article, even though it happened.[See the bottom of the article–I am linked on the TITLE of his book.] I was totally nonplussed, but extremely honored.

Because of government rules, Mr. Trimbach was not allowed to defend himself years ago, so I defended him. I guess he appreciated it.

Yes, I am that batshit crazy. I tried to stand up for a maligned FBI official that I never met. I felt sorry for the FBI men who tried to defend poor Indians from communist terrorists and got trashed by our “scholars.” I am THAT “batshit crazy.”

Finally Mr Trimbach is going to write a book and defend himself. It will be called “American Indian Mafia.” I am pretty sure once he can speak he will not need any help from me.

Maybe Mr. Trimbach would think I am batshit crazy if he read my whole blog, I don’t know. Maybe he only read my post about him. Who knows.

If Mr. Trimbach reads my entire blog and wants to say I am batshit crazy, I will accept the verdict, but not from you, Mr. Paine. You haven’t protected Indians from communist terrorists like Mr. Trimbach has. You haven’t studied AIM like Mr. Trimbach has. You haven’t even studied AIM/Churchill as long as I have. I am on the record about this in 2003. And you aren’t!

You are just pissed you have to pay for Churchill!!!

It is true I am longwinded, but what I am trying to explain is what I believe is a complicated ongoing conspiracy, what the Soviets call “active measures.”

I think this JonBenet murder was a kind of terrorism. The target of terrorism is the government— not the people who actually get killed. Terrorists want to discredit and undermine the government–you know, what the CAIB does.

JonBenet was killed and her death was used to discredit law enforcement, the police, the FBI, the city officials. It was terrorism.

It was claimed by AIM-connected activists that the authorities were protecting Jonbenet’s killers. This is the same as Churchill’s BIG LIE that the FBI backed death squads who killed 342 Indians. That’s what I noticed. Same people. Same kind of BIG LIE.

I do the best I can to explain this complicated conspiracy. I wrote about my theory totally independently a few years before the 2005 scandal broke about Churchill’s Little Eichmann essay. I just sat in my kitchen and did my research.

JonBenet Bloggers who defended AIM mocked my JonBenet AIM theory. Pretty strange that bloggers who are interested in JonBenet are so up on AIM. Pretty strange they get their JonBenet information from an AIM activist, lawyer, and escaped felon like Lee Hill.

Churchill’s lawyer David Lane was also involved in the Ramsey business, and so was the AIM activist lawyer named Lee Hill who was a lawyer for the Leonard Peltier Defense Committee and for the radical writer William Burroughs—a wife killer, and glorifier of the Midieval Islamist OBL-prototype Hassan Sabbah.

I read in the papers that Lee Hill was arrested for assaulting his wife with a gun, for having illegal weapons, and for almost ramming a cop car. I never did any batshit crazy things like that. He is the crazy one.

These lawyers produced clients, including a mentally ill woman with a history of making false accusations, who claimed that the government was protecting a ring of powerful pedophiles who had murdered JonBenet. They were blaming her murder on a government conspiracy and cover-up.

AIM has killed a lot of people, and then AIM blames the government for what they did. For example, they killed Anna Mae and then blamed the FBI.

Lee Hill was a “source” to bloggers on the Ramsey murder. He was a really BIG AIM/PELTIER LAWYER.

Then, I read that he ran off from his trial.

I began to notice that the AIM lies about government-backed murders were a lot like the claims that JonBenet Ramsey was murdered by powerful pedophiles with government protection.

Folks can look up Lee Hill and David Lane on my blog.

I can’t say I am right about everything, but it is an honest attempt to get to the bottom of what Colorado AIM is doing by a totally independent researcher.

So I got banned by you Mr. P. For a long time I was disappointed because I thought you were really smart and would help me.

But Mr. Trimbach acknowleged my blog. It more than makes up for my disappointment in you. He is a man who protected American Indians from AIM’s communist terrorism. Being linked by Mr. Trimbach makes up for being banned by you or Free Republic.

Comment from Steamboat McGoo
Time: September 30, 2007, 4:02 pm

Thanks, jw!

Heinleins peccadilloes. Heh. I understand he and his wife were pretty frisky with their circle of like-minded sexual adventurer friends.

Comment from jwpaine
Time: September 30, 2007, 4:21 pm

Yeah, I’ve heard the same rumors re RAH. None of my business, really, although Heinlein opens himself up to legitimate and proper criticism when he injects his sexual predilections into his fiction; Rand is worse in that she makes hers part and parcel of her underlying theme. Bad when you start thinking fucking the pumpkin isn’t just an okay thing to do, but the right thing to do. Or worse, the righteous thing to do.

Comment from jwpaine
Time: September 30, 2007, 4:24 pm

Did I say “theme”? I meant thesis.

Comment from Steamboat McGoo
Time: September 30, 2007, 5:44 pm

Righteous Obligatory Pumpkin Fucking. I may have to google that later to see if the Weasel site gets proper perversion-credit. It could be right up there with “peanut lady fuck”.

I’ve been thinking about AR’s philosophy and its similarities to what I believe was the general underlying phyche of the garden-variety Nazi barbarian. I can see that there could be overlaps and congruencies.

Ah! I used the term “crotchfruit” yesterday in conversation! My remark was carefully timed and made my cousins wife snarf her drink up her nose. I was so pleased.

Comment from jwpaine
Time: September 30, 2007, 6:11 pm

The use of the Randian superman archetype to rationalize one’s own venalities is, again, the province of ethically-challenged college louts cursed with an over-abundance of testosterone and a deficiency in everything else.

BTW: The timely use of “crotch-fruit” to induce nasal drink-snarfing is, I believe, an Official Lifetime Achievement&mark;, and the perpetrator of said event is permitted to die happy.

Comment from jwpaine
Time: September 30, 2007, 6:13 pm

dang, I thought &mark; would do it…. guess I should have said ™ instead.

Comment from jwpaine
Time: September 30, 2007, 6:16 pm

Fucking the pumpkin
When done unseasonably
Bears bizarre crotchfruit.

Comment from jwpaine
Time: September 30, 2007, 6:31 pm

In case “fucking the pumpkin” somehow becomes the internet’s next “jumping the shark”, let me lay claim to being the first to coin the phrase, having (after paying all fees and duties) stolen the idea from some comedian whose name I cannot recall.

Further, let me be the first to define “fucking the pumpkin” as the self-serving rationalization of one’s own sexual deviations as proof or mitigation of some overall literary, political, or philosophical thesis. Robert A. Heinlein, Ayn Rand, and Harvey Fierstein, et al, are all guilty of “fucking the pumpkin.”

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